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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 29 Jun 2017 21:13

I have been using this site and then checking against your translation and against the original posting.
Some tables do not add up at all, for example Table 12.
In this case I have been able to reconstruct the original table by cross checking with information from other tables and working out the calculations. I have shown the incorrect figures in yellow and marked which tables they come from.
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This table now cross checks and balances. :thumbsup:
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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 29 Jun 2017 21:51

Glavnoe avtobronetankovoe upravlenie. Liudi, sobitiia, fakti i dokumentakh
Volumes 1 and 2 are available at the British Library.
I will see if the other volumes are held at the Russian Military Studies archive......

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 30 Jun 2017 05:58

See http://istmat.info/node/36658 for numbers of vehicles in the national economy (excluding the RKKA) for 1940 and 1945:
1940:
Cars (availability at the end of the year) thousand units автомобили (наличие на конещ года) тыс. Штю 815,400
Cargo 655,700
Passenger Cars легковые 106,900
Buses автобусы 15,600
Tractors (availability at end of the year) тракторы
In physical thous. Units в физич. ед. тыс. шт. 556,400
In Rural Economy 530,800
converted in 15 H.P. units 739,800
In Rural Economy 683,800

1945:
Cars (availability at the end of the year) thousand units автомобили (наличие на конещ года) тыс. Штю 389,800
Cargo 313,600
Passenger Cars легковые 54,200
Buses автобусы 4,500
Tractors (availability at end of the year) тракторы
In physical thous. Units в физич. ед. тыс. шт. 418,400
In Rural Economy 397,200
converted in 15 H.P. units 543,500
In Rural Economy 490,800

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 30 Jun 2017 12:57

Interesting document on the Motor Park of the USSR 1913-1945 and with breakdown by Commissariat of the Motor Fleet in August 1945
http://istmat.info/node/45251
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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Art » 30 Jun 2017 19:00

Also from the same website: a handbook on foreign trade operations in 1941-45:
http://istmat.info/node/46316

From this document arrival of foreign automobiles to the USSR by year:
1941 (Sept-Dec) - 1009 from the USA + 479 from UK and Canada = 1488 totals
1942 - 37 642 + 2 405 = 40 047
1943 - 106 271 + 2 752 = 109 023
1944 - 146 377 + 706 = 147 083
Cumulative by 1.01.45:
291 299 + 6 342 = 297 641
Also in January 1945 - 13 444 automobiles from the USA

Of those numbers trucks:
1941 - 937 from the USA + 479 from the UK and Canada = 1416
1942 - 29 940 + 2 267 = 32 207
1943 - 91 517 + 2 726 = 94 243
1944 - 128 367 + 704 = 129 071
Cumulative by 1.1.45:
250 761 + 6176 = 256 937
Also in January 1945 - 11 018 trucks from the USA

jeeps (all from the USA):
1941 - 72
1942 - 7 698
1943 - 14 746
1944 - 18 008
Cumulative by 1.1.45:
40 524 jeeps
Also in January 1945 2236 jeeps

For comparison reception of foreign automobiles according to the GAVTU's report:
1941 - 400
1942 - 32 500
1943 - 95 100
1944 - 140 600
Cumulative 268 600
You can notice that GAVTU's cumulative total is smaller by some 30 thousand. That was probably because a certain delay between arrival to ports/stations and shipment to the army. Also some numbers of automobiles (unknown) was given to the Navy, NKVD and civil agencies. Finally, by all appearance GAVTU didn't count truck chassis that were converted to rocket launchers and some special purpose vehicles.

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Art » 30 Jun 2017 19:20

From report on Soviet export and import in 1941-45:
http://istmat.info/node/46317

Arrival of automobiles:
1941 (from 22.6) - 1 500
1942 - 39 900
1943 - 109 200
1944 - 147 100
1945 (to 1.9) - 103 700
Total 401 400, including:

trucks:
1941 - 1 400
1942 - 32 100
1943 - 94 400
1944 - 129 100
1945 - 96 000
Total 353 000

jeeps:
1941 - 100
1942 - 7 700
1943 - 14 700
1944 - 18 000
1945 - 7 400
Total 47 900

cars:
total 233 in 1941-45

special purpose:
244 in 1941-45

Also arrival of motorcycles:
1942 - 2 400
1943 - 9 800
1944 - 14 700
1945 - 7 600
Total 34 400

Engineer vehicles and snow plows:
1943 - 164
1944 - 137
1945 - 1517
Total 1818

tank trailers - 629 in 1941-45
repair workshops - 3311 in 1941-45
charging stations - 420 in 1941-45

By country of origin:
395 100 automobiles from the USA and 6300 from the UK
including 346 800 + 6 200 trucks
47 900 jeeps (all from USA)
222 + 11 cars
89 + 155 special purpose automobiles

Motorcycles: 32 300 (USA) + 1 600 (UK) + 500 (Canada) = 34 400
Engineer and snow plows - 1818 (all from USA)
tank trailers - 629 (all from USA)
Repair workshops: 1421 (USA) + 300 (UK) + 1590 (Canada) = 3311
Charging stations - 246 (USA) + 174 (UK) = 420

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 01 Jul 2017 12:21

GATVU report table 20 shows wartime imports at 312.8 while table 4 shows Army imports at 282.1 so 30.7 went to civil economy.
Figure appears in table 13 but includes civil share of production as well

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 05 Jul 2017 06:21

Combination of the above reports with the GATVU report.
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note the slowing of production from 1938 which was due to lack of investment in the railways whose productivity began to fall. Delays in deliver materials to the factories affected production. A combination of this and the first vehicles from 1932 beginning to wear out began to slow the growth of the fleet, so the line begins to flatten out.
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The wartime civil economy can easy show the combination of transfers to the Army and the huge losses of vehicles as the Germans overran Belorussia and Ukraine. The following years shows that most vehicles came from agriculture, particularly the Collective Farms which continues to be squeezed.
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This shows that the largest change to the Soviet Fleet during the war were the huge losses suffered principally in 1941 and 1942. Imports (ie. Lend Lease) were a part of re-building that fleet but as you can see the more important change is the switch of vehicles from the civilian economy either by direct transfers, directing the majority of production to the army or by captured vehicles going to the Army
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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 05 Jul 2017 07:29

Art wrote:For comparison reception of foreign automobiles according to the GAVTU's report:
1941 - 400
1942 - 32 500
1943 - 95 100
1944 - 140 600
Cumulative 268 600
You can notice that GAVTU's cumulative total is smaller by some 30 thousand. That was probably because a certain delay between arrival to ports/stations and shipment to the army. Also some numbers of automobiles (unknown) was given to the Navy, NKVD and civil agencies. Finally, by all appearance GAVTU didn't count truck chassis that were converted to rocket launchers and some special purpose vehicles.
From GATVU report:

Table 4 shows that the Army received the following:
1941 300
1942 30,900
1943 83,700
1944 128,800
to 01.05.45 38,400
total 282,100

which matches the total in Table 5.

Table 20 shows the cars received by the NK Foreign Trade
1941 400
1942 32,500
1943 95,100
1944 139,600
to 01.09.1945 4,500
total 312,600

The difference is some 30,500 which were given to the civilian economy

Compared to US totals as listed in the "Report to Congress volumes 1 to 29" available from Google Books, the USA supplied:
Prime Mover Totals: 192,300
Truck Totals 74,500
Light Truck Totals 40,600
Special Vehicle Totals: 4,900
Motorcycles 34,190
Trailers 855
Semi-trailers 2,026
Passenger cars 200
Tractors 174
Total 471,412

Point 1:
This total is the period from September 1941 to Jan 1946. Over 50,000 vehicles were delivered directly to the Far East to fight Japan after April 1945 and the fulfilment of orders continued after the wars end under the MILEPOST Agreement until 12th September 1945. Milepost represents around 10% of the tonnage of vehicles shipped. The total of vehicles EXPORTED by 01.04.1945 to fight the Germans was 406,000 (leaving some 60,000 to be delivered 1st April to 12th Sept)

Point 2:
The total VEHICLES EXPORTED was reduced to those DELIVERED at 409,000 or some 62,412 fewer which accounts for losses in transit, changes made in transit, etc or a loss rate of roughly 10%.

So 406,000 vehicles by 01.04.1945
of which deduct losses 62,412 (mainly occurring 1941 and 1942)
of which deduct motorcycles, trailers, tractors, etc which the Soviets do not include in their numbers. 34,190+855+2,026+200+174

Total by 1st April 1945 = 306,317

Congress is not always clear what they are counting and motorcycles in particulars drop in and out of the figures for VEHICLES.
However the combination of delivery losses and the timing of deliveries makes the Soviet figure of 312,000 vehicles delivered by 01.04.1945 entirely plausible.

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 05 Jul 2017 10:04

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I have noticed that our figures do not match. I am using the GATVU report on the http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/AutoS ... b.html#t20 website.

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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 14 Jul 2017 20:12

Soviet Fleet Compositon Home Import.jpg
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GATVU Report expanded

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 17 Jul 2017 18:34

Using the GATVU report here: http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/AutoS ... oSnab.html
it is possible to combine the tables with each other and with some additional information to build up a complete picture of the entire Soviet Motor Fleet (military and civil)during the war:

Tables 11 and 13 rearranged give us an overall picture:
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and the various tables in the military section give us a full military picture:
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with the top table showing the stock of vehicles by year and type and the bottom table the change from additions by production, imports, losses and captured vehicles plus transfers to and from the civilian economy. The main issue here is that the transfers do not match the civilian tables ones.
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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 17 Jul 2017 20:09

A similar tables can be built up for the civilian side with additional information such as the National Production figures given in tables 15, 16 and 17. These were checked against the information given in http://istmat.info/node/45251
However the production figure minus the Army share of production should equal the civil production but on an annual basis it does not. This throws the Import figure out as well by around 5,000
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Re: Soviet Army's automobile stocks, losses and deliveries

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 17 Jul 2017 20:11

Bearing this in mind, we can combine the two tables Army and Civil to produce a picture for the National Fleet:
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