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Russian Civil War maps

Post by Chinaski1917 » 02 Dec 2009 17:48

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Chinaski1917 » 02 Dec 2009 18:19

could someone explain what the "x" above the squares represent ?

thanks

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Ironmachine » 02 Dec 2009 18:42

They are used to represent the unit's size.
X = brigade
XX = division
XXX = army corps
XXXX = army
XXXXX = army group

Nice maps, by the way.

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by henryk » 02 Dec 2009 21:05

Thank for the interesting maps. What is the source? Are there more maps there, eg Polish-Soviet war?

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Chinaski1917 » 02 Dec 2009 21:24

source is : David Bullock , the Russian Civil War 1918-1922 , Osprey , (2008).

The book as a whole isn't good (besides being biased) except the maps and photographs.
And no there aren't any more maps there, I posted them all.

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by henryk » 02 Dec 2009 21:29

Thank you, Chinaski1917

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Chinaski1917 » 02 Dec 2009 21:37

actually I think the writer has used as a source WH Chamberlin's book in 1935 on the Russian Revolution , but he didn't have the decency to cite ONE source or provide us with a bibliography. That's not acceptable even for junior high school textbooks...

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Art » 03 Dec 2009 15:32

On the map #4 ("to the Urals") the Turkestan Army is lacking between the 5th and the 1st.

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Kanadon » 04 Dec 2009 18:16

Chinaski, that last map looks familiar. Is it from "White Armies of Russia"?

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Chinaski1917 » 04 Dec 2009 18:20

No it's from Ian Grey's biography of Stalin

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Tapani K. » 04 Dec 2009 21:30

The map North Russia 1918-20 shows German forces in the Finnish-Russian border north of Kuhmo, west of Kostamuksha (Kostamus in Finnish) ; never heard of any German as far north as that. Also, the time frame does not seem to fit.

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by RCW Mark » 06 Dec 2009 05:48

That map from the Biography of Stalin is a shocker!

It has Iudenich attacking from Latvia! Riga actually. That is just plain wrong.

It also gives the strong impression that Denikin almost met up with the anti-Bolshevik forces from the East. It carefully dates the Red forces as "Summer 1918" but omits to give a date for "Autumn 1919" for the ones facing Denikin. Either it is gross stupidity or a deliberate attempt to make the Soviets look far more surrounded than they ever were.

The big arrows from the nasty Intervention in the north are equally distracting. It makes it seem as that front was every bit as important as the ones from the south, whereas in fact the small Red forces held them off easily. I assume it is deliberate.

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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by Paul_Atreides » 06 Dec 2009 10:06

Here you can find Soviet maps about Civil war

http://www.rkka.ru/maps1940.htm
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Re: Russian Civil War maps

Post by henryk » 06 Dec 2009 21:45

Paul Atreides wrote:Here you can find Soviet maps about Civil war
http://www.rkka.ru/maps1940.htm

Thank you, Paul.
Based on the Google translation of the titles of the maps on the Polish-Soviet War, they are definitely "Soviet" maps:
=The defeat of the troops of the bourgeois-landlord Poland and Wrangel
04-11.1920 (b / w 585 KB - GV Kuzmin "Civil War and military intervention in the USSR")
=Polish-Soviet war. The defeat of Wrangel's troops
04-11.1920 (tsv. 734 KB - Military Encyclopedia)
Now to find my Cyrillic-English-Polish alphabet transcriber.

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