Rifle Division 04/550

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Art » 02 Nov 2015 17:00

Gary Kennedy wrote: Interesting the way the SMG issue creeps up and rifles go down as Rifle Bn, Coy and Pl commanders and Rifle Squad commanders get rearmed, but there must be another big change in the Rifle Pls to account for the second increase.

That copy of the tables ended up in the folder of the Karelian Front HQ from the first half of 1944, so presumably correction reflect changes made by that moment. I'm not able to say when they were made exactly and how. Also from the same folder ant-tank battalion, 04/569 December 1943 with 12 76-mm guns (optionally substitutes AT battalion 04/554 equipped with 45-mm guns):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=262168342

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Art » 02 Nov 2015 18:10

Gary Kennedy wrote:Now if I can just find 010/500-506

Thy will be done. Organization tables for a tank brigade 010/500-506, November 1943.
Overview:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459867
010/500 tank brigade HQ:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459868
010/501 tank battalion (3 in a brigade):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459869
010/502 Motor submachine-gun battalion:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459870
010/503 anti-aircraft machine-gun company:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459871
010/504 HQ company:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459872
010/505 service company:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459873
010/506 medical platoon:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/dou/?docID=130459874
Unfortunately, I cannot find mech brigade TO&Es.

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 02 Nov 2015 18:51

Der Alte Fritz wrote:Excellent material Art, well done. I think that this is such an important shtat that it is worth having a very detailed look at the official strength so as to show all the detail and understand it.

Gary, I am away at present, any chance you could publish your updated tables so that everyone can have a look rather than doing it themselves.


DAF,

This is the first crack at 04/551 in summary form. To my surprise the rifles and SMGs at the first rate of issue shown worked out spot on without correction.

It should be easy enough to summarise the Division, but I think we're still short of 04/563?

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 02 Nov 2015 18:53

Art wrote:
Gary Kennedy wrote:Now if I can just find 010/500-506

Thy will be done. Organization tables for a tank brigade 010/500-506, November 1943.


Art,

Wow, I know Christmas comes later in Russia but it's come earlier here today!

Seriously, if anyone can send a thank you to whoever runs that website I'd be most grateful. I can read shtat it seems, but not Russian in general!

:thumbsup:

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Art » 02 Nov 2015 19:28

Gary Kennedy wrote:Seriously, if anyone can send a thank you to whoever runs that website I'd be most grateful.

The site is run be the Russian Defense Ministry as a part of project to digitize archival documents. However, I have found specific documents only thanks to a search engine made by some private initiative, I don't know whose exactly.
I'm thinking about posting an English summary from the tank brigade TOEs when I have time.

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 03 Nov 2015 21:25

Redo of the Rifle Regiment, 04/551, trying to keep the same format as the original, Part 1 of 3;

Regimental Headquarters – 29 men, 4 horses

Regimental Commander (Colonel) - horse
Deputy Regimental Commander for political affairs - horse
Deputy Regimental commander (Lieutenant-colonel)
Adjutant (Lieutenant)

Headquarters Section

Chief of Staff (Lieutenant-colonel or Major) - horse
2 Assistant Chiefs of Staff (Captains)
Assistant CoS (cryptography) (Senior Lieutenant)
Chief of communications (Captain)
Assistant CoS (Logistics) (Captain)
Assistant CoS (accountant) (Captain)
Clerk (Technical Lieutenant 2nd Grade)
Translator (2nd Grade) (Technical Lieutenant 2nd Grade)
(3 bicycles)

Political Section

Party secretary
Komsomol secretary
Propaganda officer
(2 bicycles)

Chiefs of Service

Chief of Artillery (Lieutenant-colonel or Major) - horse
Regimental Engineer (Captain)
Chief of Chemical Services (Captain)
Senior Regimental Doctor (Surgeon 2nd Grade)
Senior Veterinary Doctor (Veterinarian 2nd Grade)

Supply Section

Assistant Regimental Commander, Supply (Major)
Chief of Artillery Supply (Engineer Captain)
Chief of Military Technical Supply (Military Engineer 3rd Grade)
Chief of Clothing Supply (Captain Quartermaster Corps)
Chief of Food & Feed Supply (Captain Quartermaster Corps)
Chief of Finances (Captain Quartermaster Corps)
Clerk (Senior Lieutenant Captain Quartermaster Corps)
Senior Clerk (Sergeant, Admin Service)
(2 bicycles)

Reconnaissance Platoon (mounted) – 12 men, 12 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt) – horse
Assistant Platoon commander (Senior sergeant) – horse
2 Squad commanders (Sergeants) – 2 horses
8 Cavalrymen (Privates) – 8 horses

Reconnaissance Platoon (foot) – 25 men

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
Deputy Platoon commander (for political instruction)
Assistant Platoon commander (Senior sergeant)
2 Snipers (Lance-corporals)
Messenger (Private)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
16 Riflemen (Privates)

Submachine Gun Company


Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)
Medic (Senior Sergeant, Medical Service)
2 Messengers (Privates)

Three Platoons, each

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
3 Deputy Squad commanders (Junior Sergeants)
24 Submachine gunners (Privates)

Anti-tank Rifle Company – 73 men, 6 horses

Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)
3 Wagon drivers (Privates)

3 Wagons, each with 2 horses

Three Platoons, each

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
3 Deputy Squad commanders (Junior Sergeants) (each anti-tank rifle)
6 Gunners (Lance-corporals) (each anti-tank rifle)
9 Gun numbers

Regimental Signal Company – 50 men, 11 horses

Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Headquarters Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)

Telephone Exchange Section;
Station Chief (Sergeant)
Senior Telephonist (Lance-corporal)
6 Telephonists (Privates) – (two also cart drivers)

2 Telephone carts, each with 1 horse

Messenger Section;
Squad Commander (Sergeant) – horse
3 Messengers – 3 horses
3 Cyclists – 3 bicycles

Radio Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
4 Chief radio operators (Sergeants)
4 Radio operators (Privates)

Line Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
4 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
4 Senior Telephonists (Lance-corporals)
12 Telephonists (Privates) – (four also cart drivers)

4 Telephone carts, each with 1 horse

Commandant Platoon – 13 men, 4 horses

Platoon commander (staff commandant) (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
Squad commander (Sergeant)
6 Riflemen (Privates)
Squad commander (Senior Sergeant, Admin Service)
Chief cook (Senior Sergeant, Admin Service)
Cook (Private)
2 Wagon drivers (Privates)

2 Kitchens (cavalry type) each with 2 horses

Sapper Platoon – 20 men, 2 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant)
Deputy Platoon commander (Senior Sergeant)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
14 Sappers (Privates)
Wagon driver (Private)

1 Wagon with 2 horses

Chemical Defence Platoon – 12 men, 7 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)

Squad commander (Sergeant)
3 Chemical Warfare men (Privates)
Wagon driver (Private)

1 Wagon with 2 horses

Squad commander (Sergeant)
5 Horses degassers (Privates)

2 Wagons, each with 1 horse
1 Cart with 1 horse

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 03 Nov 2015 22:20

Part 2 of 3, the Rifle Battalion;

Three Rifle Battalions, each

Battalion Headquarters – 4 men

Battalion commander (Major)
Deputy Battalion commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Battalion commander (Major/Captain)
Senior Adjutant (Captain)

Signal Platoon – 10 men, 1 horse

Platoon Commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
Wagon driver (Private)

1 Telephone cart with 1 horse

Bicycle

Telephone Exchange

Station Chief (Senior Sergeant)
Senior telephonist (Lance-corporal)
Telephonist (Private)

Telephone Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant)
Senior telephonist (Lance-corporal)
3 Telephonists (Privates)

Three Rifle Companies - each 143 men, 1 horse

Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)
Storeman, clerk (Sergeant, Admin Service)

Medical Detachment

Medical Instructor (Senior Sergeant, Medical Service)
4 Stretcher bearers (Privates)

Three Rifle Platoons, each –

Platoon Headquarters

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
Deputy Platoon commander (Senior Sergeant)
2 Snipers (Lance-corporals)

Four Rifle Squads (total)

4 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
6 Deputy Squad commanders-machine gunners (each with LMG)
6 Machine gunners (Privates)
20 Riflemen (Privates)

50-mm Mortar Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
2 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
2 Deputy Squad commanders-gunners (each with 50-mm mortar)
2 Mortar men (Privates)

Machine Gun Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant)
Deputy Squad commander-machine gunner (with HMG)
Assistant gunner (Lance-corporal)
3 Machine gunners (Privates) (one also wagon driver)

1 Cart with 1 horse

(end of Rifle Company)

Machine Gun Company – 58 men, 9 horses

Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Three Platoons, each

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
3 Deputy Squad commanders-machine gunners (Junior Sergeants) (each with HMG)
3 Assistant gunners (Lance-corporals)
8 Machine gunners (Privates) (two also wagon drivers)

1 Wagon with 2 horses
1 Cart with 1 horse

Anti-tank Rifle Platoon – 23 men, 2 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
3 Deputy Squad commanders (Junior Sergeants) (each with anti-tank rifle)
6 Gunners (Lance-corporals) (each with anti-tank rifle)
10 Gun numbers (1 also wagon driver)

1 Wagon with 2 horses

82-mm Mortar Company – 61 men, 9 horses

Company Headquarters

Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Three Platoons, each

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
3 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
3 Deputy Squad commanders- gunners (Junior Sergeants) (each with 82-mm mortar)
9 Mortar men (Privates)
3 Wagon drivers (Privates)

3 Carts, each with 1 horse

Anti-tank Gun Platoon – 17 men, 8 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
2 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
2 Deputy Squad commanders- gunners (Sergeants)
2 Assistant gunners (Junior Sergeants)
6 Gun numbers (Privates)
4 Drivers

Two horse teams, each with 4 horses, 45-mm anti-tank gun and ammunition caisson

Medical Platoon – 5 men, 1 horse

Platoon commander (Senior Medic)
Medical Instructor (Senior Sergeant, Medical Service)
2 Stretcher bearers (Privates)
Wagon driver

1 Cart with 1 horse

Supply Platoon – 12 men, 14 horses

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)

Combat Supply Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant)
Senior wagon driver (Lance-corporal)
3 Wagon drivers (Privates)

4 Wagons, each with 2 horses

Admin Squad

Senior cook (Senior Sergeant, Admin Service)
2 Cooks (Privates)
Senior wagon driver (Lance-corporal)
Wagon driver (Private)
Wagon driver (Private) – (also blacksmith)

3 Artillery kitchens, each with 2 horses

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 04 Nov 2015 01:29

Part 3 of 3;

Anti-tank Battery – 55 men, 26 horses

Battery Headquarters

Battery commander (Captain) - horse
Deputy Battery commander (for political instruction) - horse
Deputy Battery commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Three Platoons, each

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
2 Squad commanders (Senior Sergeants)
2 Deputy Squad commanders- gunners (Sergeants)
2 Assistant gunners (Junior Sergeants)
6 Gun numbers (Privates)
4 Drivers

Two horse teams, each with 4 horses, 45-mm anti-tank gun and ammunition caisson

Infantry Gun Battery – 74 men, 50 horses

Battery Headquarters

Battery commander (Captain) - horse
Deputy Battery commander (for political instruction) - horse
Deputy Battery commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

HQ Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)

Reconnaissance Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant) - horse
2 Senior scout-observers (Lance-corporals) – 1 with horse
Scout (Private)

Communication Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant)
2 Senior telephone-telegraphists (Lance-corporals)
6 Telephone-telegraphists (Privates) (1 also wagon driver)

1 Telephone cart with 1 horse

Two Platoons, total

2 Platoon commanders (Lieutenants/Junior Lts)
4 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
Guide (?) (Lance-corporal)
4 Deputy Squad commanders-gunners (Junior Sergeants)
16 Gun numbers (Privates)
8 Drivers (Privates)
4 Wagon drivers (Privates)

Four horse teams, each with 4 horses and a 76-mm infantry gun
4 Wagons, each with 2 horses

Ammunition Platoon

Platoon commander (Lieutenant/Junior Lt)
Squad commander (Sergeant)
2 Senior Laboratorists (?) (Lance-corporals)
8 Wagon drivers (Privates)

8 Wagons, each with 2 horses

Admin Squad

Master Gunner (Sergeant, Technical Service)
Senior cook (Senior Sergeant, Admin Service)
Cook (Private)
Wagon driver (Private)
Wagon driver (Private) – (also blacksmith)

2 Cavalry kitchens, each with 2 horses

120-mm Mortar Battery – 65 men, 8 vehicles

Battery Headquarters

Battery commander (Captain)
Deputy Battery commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Battery commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Headquarters Squad

Squad commander (Sergeant)
Senior scout-observer (Lance-corporal)
Scout observer (Private)
2 Senior telephonists (Lance-corporals)
3 Telephonists (Privates)

Three Platoons, total

3 Platoon commanders (Lieutenants)
7 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
7 Deputy Squad commanders-gunners (Junior Sergeants)
28 Mortar numbers (Privates)
8 Drivers (Privates)

7x 120-mm mortars
7x 3-ton lorries
1x 1.5-ton truck

Medical Company – 33 men, 10 horses

Company commander (Surgeon, 3rd class)
2 Junior Doctors (Surgeon, 3rd class)
2 Medics (Military Doctors)
Chief Pharmacist (Technical Lieutenant, 1st Grade)
Instructor Sanitation-disinfector (Sergeant, Medical Service)
2 Nurses (Privates)
Sergeant-clerk (also responsible for Admin) (Sergeant, Medical Service)
Cook (Private)
Senior wagon driver (Lance-corporal)
8 Wagon drivers (Privates)

6 Wagons, each with 2 horses
2 Pharmacy carts, each with 1 horse
1 Cavalry kitchen, with 2 horses

Stretcher bearer Platoon

Platoon commander (Military Doctor)
2 Sanitary instructors (Senior Sergeants, Medical Service)
10 Stretcher bearers (Privates)

Veterinary Hospital– 3 men, 1 horse

Veterinarian (Military Doctor)
Junior Veterinarian (Senior Sergeant, Veterinary Service)
Blacksmith (also wagon driver) (Private)

1 Cart with 1 horse

Weapons Workshop – 11 men

Head of Workshop (Senior Technical Lieutenant)
Junior Weapons Technician (Technical Lieutenant)
Senior Master Gunner (Sergeant, Technical Service)
Junior Artillery Technician (Technical Lieutenant)
Senior Master Armourer (Sergeant, Technical Service)
Master, mortars (Junior Sergeant, Technical Service)
Master Chemist (Junior Sergeant, Technical Service)
Armourer (Private)
Master, telephones (Junior Sergeant, Technical Service)
Electrician (Sergeant, Technical Service)

Clothing Supplies Workshop – 3 men

Senior cobbler (Lance-corporal)
Senior tailor (Lance-corporal)
Saddler (Private)

Transport Company – 39 men, 60 horses

Company Headquarters
Company commander (Captain)
Deputy Company commander (for political instruction)
Deputy Company commander (Senior Lieutenant)
Company Sergeant (Starshina)

Two Transport Platoons, total

2 Platoon commanders (Lieutenants/Junior Lts)
6 Squad commanders (Sergeants)
23 Wagon drivers (Privates)

29 Wagons, each with 2 horses

Admin Squad

Cook instructor (Sergeant, Admin Service)
Cook (Private)
Senior blacksmith (Lance-corporal)
Wagon driver (Private)

1 Artillery kitchen, with 2 horses

Bound to be some things I've translated wrongly, and the formatting isn't the best but its takes time to do properly.

Gary

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Leo Niehorster » 04 Nov 2015 11:11

 
Thank you, Art. Great set of links.

Unfortunately, I am get a "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable" message when I try for any pages after the 10th when changing the URL manually. :(
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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 04 Nov 2015 13:46

Leo,

I did get it to work, after selecting Inspect Image I right clicked again and went for Edit as HTML to change the page to the next number, then scrolled to the bottom and just clicked towards the base of the script, and it moved onto the next page.

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Leo Niehorster » 05 Nov 2015 09:41

Yeah. That works. Many thanks.
Why they don't make a regular complete file download option is a mystery. Oh well, we should be grateful for the larger boon of access, even if only page by page and with tricks, and especially the fine friends who help, in some cases virtual ones, like Art, on the internet.
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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Leo Niehorster » 10 Nov 2015 14:49

Greetings.

Would appreciate some more data for the 04/550 Rifle Division. In particular:

Rifle Diviison 04/550
1/ What is the breakdown for the divisional Signal Company ? If possible, including how many and which radios it had.

Artillery Regiment 04/552
2/ What is the breakdown for the Artillery Regiment Headquarters Battery?

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Art » 10 Nov 2015 18:52

Leo Niehorster wrote:Artillery Regiment 04/552
2/ What is the breakdown for the Artillery Regiment Headquarters Battery?

battery commander (capt), riding horse
political deputy (-)
deputy commander (sr lt)
battery sergeant (sergeant major)

A. Scout platoon
(platoon commander, also deputy battery commander)
2 scout squads:
2 squad leaders (serg)
2 senior scouts (cpl)
2 scouts (pvt)
2 scouts, horse-holders (pvt)
Total platoon - 8 men, 8 riding horses

B. Signal platoon
platoon commander (sr.lt or lt)
1) 2 signal sections:
2 section leaders (serg)
4 senior wire-men (cpl)
9 wire-men, of them 2 wagon drivers (pvt)
2 1-horse wagons, 2 artillery horses
2) radio section
chief of radio (sr. serg)
senior radio operator (serg)
2 radio operators (pvt)
radio operator, also wagon driver (pvt)
1 RB radio with enlarged antenna
1 RB radio
1 wagon for radio, 2 artillery horses
Total platoon - 21 men, 8 horses

C. Survey platoon
platoon commander (lt), 1 riding horse
2 section leaders (serg), 1 riding horse
2 scouts (pvt)
9 topographers (pvt)
2 wagon drivers (pvt)
2 1-horse wagons, 2 artillery horses
Total 16 men, 2 wagons, 2 riding, 2 artillery horses

D. Supply section
(section commander, also battery sergeant)
supply sergeant, clerk (adm serg)
cook (pvt)
smith, also wagon driver (pvt)
2 wagon drivers (pvt)
2 1-horse wagons, 2 artillery horses for regimental staff
field kitchen with 2 train horses
Total 5 men

Total battery 54 men, 11 riding, 8 artillery, 2 train horses.

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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Leo Niehorster » 11 Nov 2015 09:19

Thank you very much, Art.
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Re: Rifle Division 04/550

Postby Gary Kennedy » 13 Nov 2015 16:35

Leo,

Just a quick summary of what I at least reckon the Signal Company had -

1. Headquarters
2. Headquarters Platoon – with two telegraph stations
3. Radio Platoon – with 1 GAZ truck mounted RBS set and 6 RB set detachments (five horse drawn and one with 1.5-ton truck), plus 1 spare set
4. Mobile Communication Platoon – with 7 mounted and 3 motorcycle messengers and an Air Signal Post
5. Three Line Communication Platoons – each 1 officer, 19 men and 1 horse drawn cart
6. Equipment Workshop
7. Battery Charging Detachment – with 1 charger
8. Administration Platoon – with 4 cars, 3x 1.5-ton trucks and 1x 3-ton lorry drawing kitchen trailer

The Red Army Handbook also credits the Line Pls with 33km of wire and 18 telephones (presumably the total for all three Pls combined). I presume the Air Signal Post used visual communications as it looks to be 5 blokes with a horse and cart.

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