Mechanised Brigade shtat 10/370-380 September 1942

[Der Alte Fritz]

There is a spreadsheet of shtat numbers here but it seems incomplete??? with regard to the numbers we are looking for.

[Eugen Pinak]

Eugene
Any chance you could help find a copy of:

010/371 - мотострелковый батальон (мотострелковой бригады штата № 010/370).

or even ЦАМО РФ, ф.316, оп.4487, д.149 "Штаты полевого управления армии, танковых и механизированных соединений и частей", л.441

I am looking myself but it is very slow as I cannot speak Russian.

I've looked through the Russian part of the internet and was unable to find anything. As for "old fashioned" way, I have no access to their (or ours, for that matter) military archives, and have no contacts with the guys who have. And my chief historical interest is Imperial Japanese Navy, so my knowledge of Soviet military organization is probably worse, than yours
Of course, If I'll manage to find anything, I'll post it here.

[Der Alte Fritz]

Formation of 20 Motor Rifle Bdes in Sept 1942
What is of interest here is that these were formed on the 'old' shtat which would be replaced in September '42 by 010/420.

original here: http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/PostanovG ... _2244.html

Secret

State Defense Committee

JUDGMENT number GFCS-2244ss

on September 6, 1942 The Kremlin, Moscow

On the formation of 20 motorized infantry brigades


State Defense Committee decides:

1. Oblige the chief Glavupraforma Red Army comrade. Shchadenko build 20 motorized infantry brigades existing staff № № 010/370-010/380, numbering 3.152 people each.

2. Forming teams finish:

a) 1st place 10 motorized infantry brigades - to September 20

b) 2nd place 10 motorized infantry brigades - the 10th of October this year

3. Distribution formed motorized infantry brigades set by county:

Military ........................District By September 20 By October 10 Only
Moscow ........................ 6 ......... 5..................... 11
Ural ............................ 2 ...... 3 .................. 5
Volga ........................ .......2...... 2.................. 4
...............................10........ 10.................. 20

4. Oblige the Chief of staff of the Red Army and the head of the main NGOs complement formed brigade combat, well-prepared team, political, and officers of the first place - to September 12 and the second turn - to September 25

Candidates nominated for the post of commander and chief of staff of the brigade, battalion commander of the present, respectively, to 10 and 22 September the Chief Glavupraforma for viewing and approval.

5. Chief Glavupraforma comrade. Shchadenko equip brigade selective and well-trained privates and junior command personnel: first to the 15 of September and the second turn - by October 1 by contingents coming to the Resolution № GFCS 2100ss July 26 (sailors, de-reserve, isolated from the Red Army to reduce, recovering from injury).

6. To complete the motorcycle brigades lorries and has pledged to transfer Chief Glavupraforma comrade. Shchadenko in points at the direction of the first stage of teams to 10 September 3000 cars from them:

a) Medium Machine Comrade Commissar. Akopov - 866 cars;

b) The Chief of Logistics of the Red Army comrade. Khruleva - 1,600 cars;

c) The Chief Commissioner and GABTU (TT Fedorenko and Biryukov) - 635 cars.

For the second phase of work teams to October 5 Medium Machine Comrade Commissar. Akopov highlight - 3,500 trucks.

Oblige the Chief Commissioner and GABTU (TT Fedorenko and Biryukova) by the deadline to ensure teams are formed by special vehicles.

7. SAU chief of the Red Army (Comrade Yakovlev) to arm the team: first place - to September 15 and the second turn - to October 1

8. Head of the main NGOs to provide teams: first place - to September 15 and the second turn - by October 1, all kinds of property and equipment.

9. NCO release the required amount of food rations according to the amount and timing of human composition.

10. Oblige the People's Commissariat (Comrade Khruleva) to provide transportation of people, weapons, vehicles and property items forming teams at the request of Comrade Chief Glavupraforma. Shchadenko and relevant head of the main NGOs.

Chairman of the State
Committee of Defense STALIN


Statements sent to:
Comrades Shchadenko, Zhukov, Molotov - all;
Rumyantsev - 1, 4, Voronov - 1, 4, 7, 8, 10, Novikov - 1, 4,
Fedorenko - 1, 4, 6, 8, 10, Shcherbakov - 1, 4, Kuznetsov (NKVMF) - 5,
Khruleva - 1, 4, 6, 8, 10, Akopov - 6 resp. Yakovlev - 1, 7, 10,
bastard - 8, 10, Vorobiev - 1, 4, 8, 10, Mikoyan - 1, 9, Pavlov - 1, 9.

[Eugen Pinak]

Formation of 20 Motor Rifle Bdes in Sept 1942
What is of interest here is that these were formed on the 'old' shtat which would be replaced in September '42 by 010/420.

Wasn't 010/420 shtats introduced in January-February 1943???

[Der Alte Fritz]

I have nothing from Russian sources about 010/420 at all, so all my comments about this shtat come from the Red Army Handbook which has this shtat starting in Sept 1942 and then being amended in Jan 1943 (details over on the other thread). Charles Sharp agrees with this with his German FHO intelligence information.

The only references that I have to 010/420 at all in Soviet sources are:
Decree № GFCS-2791ss of 28 January 1943 On the formation of ten tank armies
Decree No. 019 of NKO January 10, 1943 "To change the regular organization in units and formations of tank and mechanized Corps».

So until I find this shtat or one relating to the Motorised Infantry Battalion, I cannot confirm either way.

[Eugen Pinak]

That's the problem. First explicit mention of 010/420 shtats is from early 1943. Before that only 010/370 is mentioned.

[Der Alte Fritz]