Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Art » 26 Oct 2018 15:26

What spreadsheet and diagram do you mean? Again, tables down the link give an old organization from the year 1940, in 1941 it was revised somewhat. The simplest indicator is the number of KV tanks in the tank regiment/division.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 16:16

010-20.jpg
For the spreadsheet try here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rdzzvbkjgnjd1 ... 0.ods?dl=0 my version is in Libre Office format
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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 16:36

Some of these documents give "State" totals eg. https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=450093877

9 Mech Bde has the following numbers and the pencil note top right tells us that it is 010/420-431 010/451 (AA MG Company) and Tank Regt 010/414:
453 officers
1207 NCO
2135 Red Army men
3795 total.

To get this total we need the early 010/421 Motor Rifle Bn with 662 men and the early 010/414 Tank Regt with 524 men.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Art » 26 Oct 2018 16:48

Thanks, that a wartime organization chart from the year 1941, as seen from 010/31 motorcycle regiment. For some reasons it omits military tribunal and military prosecutor's office, which normally attached to the corps HQ. Do you the same type of charts for the type 1941 tank and motorized division?

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 17:49

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=450093756
45 Mech Bde in Dec 1943 has:
010/420-431, 451 & 010/414
371 officers
1241 NCO
2110 Red Army men
3722 total.
So quite different make up from the one above. To get this total we need the late 010/421 Motor Rifle Bn with 649 personnel and the early 010/414 Tank Regt with 524 men which gives you 3721.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 18:36

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454958810
3 Guards Mech Corps

has the 3580 personnel in the Mech Bdes
which would be the one with the late 010/421 MR Bn (649 personnel) and the 010/465 Tank Regt (368 personnel) introduced March 1944

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=455019891
of similar date we can read the same.
Also field the 010/500-506 Tank Brigade introduced January 1944 but according to Tankfront.ru was introduced into 3 Gd Mech Corps in June 1944.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 19:08

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454126579

2nd Gd Mech Bde of 1st Gd Mech Corps in March 1945 which gives great detail on the make up of a late war Mech Corps 010/420 and 19th Tank Regt has personnel of 404 and 27 medium tanks and it should be on state 010/465 by this point. But this is too many personnel so it might be the late war 010/414 with no light tanks or ATR platoon?

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 26 Oct 2018 19:24

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=455202437
A summary of the staffing, payroll number and staffing level of the personnel of the 3rd Guards. Mech Corps
5th June 1943 showing state numbers for all major subunits.
As before 010/420-431, 451, early 010/414 (524)
but showing a lot more detail than the 9 Mech Bde report

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Nakhodchanin » 08 Nov 2018 08:11

I greeting all comunity! The edited original soviet organization charts from this site http://www.wargamedesignstudio.com, inspired me to try my hand at this. On pamyat-naroda.ru there is organization charts-twins of Mech Corps Shtat № 010/290, 1st https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808961 and 2nd https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808889. These schemes are good because they have tables of combat composition - for 1st https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808959 and for 2nd https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808892. At first sight, these documents are missing only numbers of shtat. I chose the first document and and I wanted to limit myself to just writing the numbers of shtat ....I ended up with what you can see:
Organization Chart of Mech Corps November 24, 1942.pdf
Combat and numerical composition of MC - Application for Organization Chart of Mech Corps November 24, 1942.pdf
. In the future plans to do the same work with Organization Chart of sep. Tank Brigade Shtat №№010/345 - 010/352 as of November 25, 1942 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808963 and Organization Chart of Tank Corps Shtat №010/369 as of November 25, 1942 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808965. To the last scheme I can not yet find the table-application, I will search further.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Gary Kennedy » 08 Nov 2018 18:28

Might be a good idea to start off a new thread for Tank Brigades, I have some good info on the 1942 or so period.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Art » 30 Mar 2019 12:13

Artillery units of the tank/mechanized corps, 1945:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454713392

This document from the 11 GTC gives a detailed breakdown of authorized transport/instruments/communication equipment in artillery units.

Mortar regiment (08/540) - 66 officers+153 NCOs + 377 privates, total 596 men, 1 car, 42 GAZ trucks (1.5 ton), 50 ZIS trucks (3 ton), 340 rifles, 120 SMGs, 36 120-mm mortars, 36 anti-tank rifles, 11 stereo periscopes, 15 aiming circles, 56 binoculars, 12 radios, 48 telephones, 64 km of telephone cables

Guards mortar (rocket) battalion (010/514) - 20 officers, 55 NCOs, 128 privates, 203 men total, 2 cars, 8 GAZ trucks, 27 ZIS trucks, 3 special-purpose trucks, 84 rifles, 77 SMGs, 39 pistols, 4 light MGs, 8 AT rifles, 8 M-13 rocket launchers, 1 stereo periscope, 5 aiming circles, 11 binoculars, 4 radios, 10 telephones, 10 km telephone cable

Anti-aircraft artillery regiment (010/452) - 41 officers, 108 NCOs, 248 privates, 397 men total, 1 car, 24 GAZ trucks, 12 prime-movers (Studebaker trucks), 3 special-purpose trucks, 40 SMGs, 89 pistols, 16 37-mm guns, 16 DSHK machine guns, 8 range-finders, 48 binoculars, 7 radios, 22 telephones, 28 km telephone cable

Light artillery regiment (tanks corps only) - 72 officers, 167 NCOs, 386 privates, 625 men total, 1 car, 18 GAZ trucks, 30 ZIS trucks, 30 prime-movers (Studebaker trucks), 5 special-purpose trucks, 304 rifles, 198 SMGs, 97 pistols, 12 light machine guns, 24 AT rifles, 24 76-mm guns, 12 stereo periscopes, 15 aiming circles, 67 binoculars, 24 radios, 65 telephones, 100 km telephone cable

Self-propelled artillery regiment SU-85/100 (010/462) - 62 officers, 120 NCOs, 136 privates, 318 men total, 2 cars, 9 GAZ trucks, 27 ZIS trucks, 5 special-purpose trucks, 2 tractors, 110 rifles, 91 SMGs, 111 pistols, 21 SU-85 SP guns, 2 stereo periscopes, 2 aiming circles, 12 binoculars, 2 radios, 8 telephones, 14 km telephone cable

Self-propelled artillery regiment SU-76 (010/484) - 57 officers, 86 NCOs, 82 privates, 225 men total, 2 cars, 13 GAZ trucks, 15 ZIS trucks, 7 special-purpose trucks, 2 tractors, 90 rifles, 32 SMGs, 101 pistols, 21 SU-76 SP guns, 2 stereo periscopes, 2 aiming circles, 34 binoculars, 2 radios

Heavy self-propelled artillery regiment (ISU-122/152) (010/461) - 87 officers, 145 NCOs, 188 privates, 420 men total, 3 cars, 18 GAZ trucks, 33 ZIS trucks, 7 special-purpose trucks, 139 rifles, 165 SMGs, 116 pistols, 21 ISU-122/152 SP guns, 2 radios, 12 telephones, 24 km telephone cable

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 30 Mar 2019 12:37

Excellent find. Really increases our knowledge of the late war shtats

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Art » 30 Mar 2019 14:32

Thanks, I've posted sample tables for organization of the tank and mechanized corps (as of September 1944) earlier:

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Note certain difference in equipment and personnel compared with the document described above. There is a considerable controversy regarding vehicles in the anti-aircraft artillery regiment (010/452) due to an anti-aircraft machine gun company (16 machine-guns installed on jeeps), which listed as "special purpose vehicles" in the tables above. In practice late in the war those machine guns could be replaced with US-built M15/M17 halftracks carrying quad-machine guns.
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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by FORBIN Yves » 30 Mar 2019 16:05

@ Art really great

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 23 Jun 2019 23:29

There is a major listing of every units and sub-unit of 2 Guards Tank Army for 20 December 1944 here:
Донесение о боевом составе соединений и частей 2 гв. ТА [Report on the combat strength of formations and units of the 2nd Guards. TA]
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=112719686

53 pages showing both State numbers, Available numbers, Shortages and Surpluses for all types of men, weapons, vehicles and equipment
I have created versions with both the original totals and also with calculated totals which reveals some errors in the sheet. For instance 50 Guard Tank Brigade is shown as not having any tanks, yet these are included in the original Corps total. These errors are shown in blue.

This has been combined with the ШТАТ numbers for 2 Tank Army from November 1944 from here:
Доклад о материально-технической обеспеченности, укомплектованности и боевом составе войск 2 ТА [Report on the material-technical supply of command and combat units of 2 Tank Army]
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136489800

The file is very large so I have put the smallest version (just the State numbers) on this post as a pdf. I will post the original spreadsheet on my website so that you can download it and have a look and find any additional errors on the original report.
Report on combat strength 2 GTA 20 Dec 44.pdf
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