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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 09 Mar 2013 15:19

Thanks for further data! And i've checked the previous links, more details found, others to find, if someone know them ^^
And thank you Juha for confirm. about the Soviet DD identity! ^^ (still unclear now who sunk the AV-45 v.v Maybe it was the Steregushchyi and that good finnish site mixed the two names?)

First of all. about the 30)
The night clash of 11 June 1944 on Peipus lake, http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=120295
There is a post mentioning the unit as a "MAL", i've checked on navypedia but no MAL was lost around that date and i've read that the unit was named "KN-08" without details about the kind of class. Also Germans said that 9 of the 11 crew went MIA, this match with the Soviet claim of having took 6 POW.

I found interesting the discussion of Suho battle. (i could add as personal opinion and after reading italian material on Ladoga Lake that the whole operation was seen as a failure by Italian POV, one of the few times that Germans made a "rushed" operation without correct planning or informations that resulted in high loss and lacks of the objectives. Moreover i've read how they claimed to have "destroyed" the Soviet force there, but reading the official causalities list this didn't happens and Soviet kept their position firing on German forces until the retreat. Also i think that the actual damages at "radio station" and lighthouse were a bit inflated).
But most important of all, i've not seen a full list of all the possible battle damages on the other not-lost German ferries. I think it's impossible the got neither a scratch considering how it's pretty clear they were not exactly "fast" units and were heavy harassed by Soviet air and naval units.
(Read on russian source that the artillery of the island claimed to have sunk/destroyed 1 target and damaged other 2. The loss of a ferry due artillery match with German source, and the mention to damages could be too..)

The same can be said about 22) no further details about the identity of the other two VMV boats damaged. : (

About the battle of Someri, this is the list of units i've tried to do.
Lost: 7
TK-121, coastal artillery
TK-71, coastal artillery
TK-22, coastal artillery (later shelled by Finnish gunboats),
TK-31 coastal artillery
TK-113 Uusimaa and Hameenmaa
TK-123 Uusimaa and Hameenmaa
TK-83 Uusimaa and Hameenmaa

Damaged: 7 (two beyond repairs, one unknown to me)
TK-131, coastal artillery
TK-152, coastal artillery
TK-62, coastal artillery
MO-306, coastal artillery (reported damaged beoyond repair, a second unit should have been, which one?)
MO-110, coastal artillery
MO-402, coastal artillery
TK-73, Uusimaa and Hameenmaa

Finnish/Germans Damaged:
Uusimaa (Pe-2 bomber, 4 kia, 8 wia)
Turunmaa (i read "explosion" during air raid, 2 kia, 4 wia)
M-18 (air raid, ? kia/mia)

Finnish claims on Kama gunboat and Soviet claim on Hameenmaa seems not true. Kama should have had engine problems unrelated to battle and was claimed sunk by Finnish aircraft, Hameenmaa was attacked by TK-73 and missed by torpedo (the TK should have fired at her however, none possible light/splinter damage?)

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Vaeltaja » 10 Mar 2013 15:17

On Suho the only Germany ferry (#21) to be lost to enemy action was scuttled by the Germans themselves after the battle as it leaked too badly to be able to return to base - and for some weird reason also lost the I-boat #6 that the ferry had been towing was lost at the same time. Other three ferries Germans lost just run aground and couldn't be pulled loose (#12, #13, #26). In addition at least ferry #22 was hit by the Soviets but still returned to base.

According to 'Suomen Laivasto 1918-1968' Turunmaa was not seriously damaged by the near miss nor did it suffer losses directly from it. The losses suffered were due to barrel explosions on both of the 20 mm Madsen AA guns which happened while fending off the attack.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 10 Mar 2013 17:48

Good for the detail of Someri. If someone has a different list for the Soviet losses or something don't match, every comment is welcome (as for mistakes in TK and MO names, and aso because i've read of a second unit that was damaged beyond repair, but did not found what it was)
I've just found on Russian magazine text that two Fugas class minesweeper and a torpedo boat were actually rushed to the battleand spotted from distance some Finnish ships. Will re-read it better but i doubt there was a good distance ...

Thank you for Soho x3 I've checked also the source you've probably found the data.
http://kotisivut.fonet.fi/~aromaa/Navyg ... Ladoga.htm
It's the same site i've already seen, good except for few little overclaims (as the fight of VMV-17 and others vs the two MO soviet crafts, claiming two sinking).
And also here itreport the Italian claims of one Bira gunboat sunk and a barge (both proved false according Morozov, and surely the Bira wa not sunk, there was an exchnange of fire and mutual light damages but all the Bira/Amgun class fate is known)
9-10/10 ... During the return trip there were seven contacts with 6-8 enemy patrol boats. The contacts were between 06.22 and 08.28 hours. Enemy patrol boat MO 175 is sunk and 9 prisoners taken
There is some confirmation (expecially by works of Morozov) about this loss?
I suppose it was claimed by the German ferries fire.


Now....
Checking the data of the Suho Battle on the site. http://kotisivut.fonet.fi/~aromaa/Navyg ... Ladoga.htm
At 06.19 two vessels were sighted in south and little later four more.
This is a clear mention (the first two at least) to Tszcz-100 and the first MO
The groups destroyed the westernmost cannon and north coast cannon, but the one on east coast remained.
After reading the text, this gun was so responsable both for loss of SF-21 (the fact that were the Germans to scuttle it it's not relevant, it was still a total-loss caused by the attack), I-6 (linked with loss of SF-21, it's reasonable to think that after the damage was inflicted, to not slow the unit the Germans abandoned, expecially if got damage on hull and water inside it or scuttled it) and damage on SF-22.
. A running gunbattle was fought with these gunboats and heavy artillery ferries between 10.49 and 14.34 hours. The distance was 6 000 to 13 000 m. Soviet fire was straddling, but caused only splinter damages. The Germans claim four hits and explosion on after deck of one of the gunboats
This is surely the Selemdzha that suffered a ligher damage then the German description and 2 wounded.
Soviet fire was straddling, but caused only splinter damages.
Sadly not a full list of the units that reported this kind of damages.

I could also mention that's is reasonable to think that Soviets air, sea and land force possibly kept firing on the grounded ferries. After all they were lost because strucked on the rocks, and Soviets reported to have turned only one of them in service.
As the demolition group was advancing towards the lighthouse, red-white rocket signal for retreat was seen at 07.10. The radio contact with troops on island had been lost and so Wachtel decided to call them back. The groups returned with wounded and six prisoners
I could also add that this Finnish description doesn't exactly match with the German claim to have "destroyed" a radio station, the same lighthouse and the soviet garrison of troops too.

Don't want seems a bit partial but...
I quiet like the contributions of all Finnish users, you've lots of old sources and despite some old and local overclaim, you're very precise on own losses, errors and mistakes..
It's not something i can exactly say on this kind of German reports...

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 10 Mar 2013 19:03

Another interesting add:
Более двух недель "Красное Знамя" поддерживало части в боях за Нарву. Немцы начали подготовку к переправе через реки Пяту и Плюсу. Загатив болото, они через него подтащили к воде понтоны и стали выдвигать живую силу. Старшина 1 статьи Степаненко корректировал огонь с пункта, находившегося в 500 м от реки. Орудия расчетов Константинова и Андреева накрыли цель. Управляющий стрельбой командир БЧ-2 капитан-лейтенант Коваль приказал перейти на беглый огонь (с максимальной скорострельностью). Понтоны были разбиты, а пехота уничтожена. Наши подразделения перешли в контратаку. В этот же день с "Красного Знамени" обстреляли еще и цели на окраине Нарвы, севернее поселка Усть-Черново, выпустив 370 снарядов.

Активной стрельбой канонерская лодка обратила на себя внимание неприятеля. Против нее бросили авиацию. Пять Ю-88 бомбили с носа, со стороны солнца, сбросив по четыре бомбы. "Красное Знамя" вело ответный огонь и уклонялось маневром. Прямых попаданий удалось избежать, однако от близких разрывов получили повреждения орудия, корпус и механизмы. Канонерке пришлось уйти на ремонт в Кронштадт.
An interesting add, it's seems that the Krasnoye Znamya in 1941 (from the text it seemed before August, but i've not seen a precise date) during bombing against German troops reported to have destroyed some interesting target.
I've not well understoos if it was a "pontoon bridge" or true pontoon/s

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Vaeltaja » 10 Mar 2013 21:34

lupodimare89 wrote:After reading the text, this gun was so responsable both for loss of SF-21 (the fact that were the Germans to scuttle it it's not relevant, it was still a total-loss caused by the attack), I-6 (linked with loss of SF-21, it's reasonable to think that after the damage was inflicted, to not slow the unit the Germans abandoned, expecially if got damage on hull and water inside it or scuttled it) and damage on SF-22.
IIRC the loss of I-6 is rather mysterious, what i understood from accounts it seems to have been almost accidentally lost with the SF-21. So i wouldn't state that it would have been caused by Soviet action without actually locating a source which does state so.
lupodimare89 wrote:I could also mention that's is reasonable to think that Soviets air, sea and land force possibly kept firing on the grounded ferries. After all they were lost because strucked on the rocks, and Soviets reported to have turned only one of them in service.
They may have kept firing on them but German accounts include notes that they did evacuate and at least attempt to sabotage the equipment they were forced to left behind. All which indicates that the grounded ferries were not at any point really disabled or destroyed by the Soviet action.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 10 Mar 2013 21:58

IIRC the loss of I-6 is rather mysterious, what i understood from accounts it seems to have been almost accidentally lost with the SF-21. So i wouldn't state that it would have been caused by Soviet action without actually locating a source which does state so.
If the SF-21 was towing the I-6 and they decided to scuttle it because of the damage, it's also possible that at the time there was not a ferry that could manage to tow the I-6 in that moment (maybe also because the need to act quickly and being under fire). An explain could be that it went down with the SF-21 being still linked together. But the description doesn't give info HOW they scuttled the SF-21 (firing against it? with charges?)
However, if the two units were still linked and the I-6 wasn't manned at the time (they had propulsion?) its loss ("loss" not sinking) is linked with the loss of the SF-21, caused by the soviet artillery.
They may have kept firing on them but German accounts include notes that they did evacuate and at least attempt to sabotage the equipment they were forced to left behind. All which indicates that the grounded ferries were not at any point really disabled or destroyed by the Soviet action.
This point as the previous ones lack for a direct source (a full report of the action). There are other sources apart from the Finnish site?
As i said, it's a good one but not perfect... expecially about what it was told by the Italian force of their operation (and so maybe Germans) if they took exactly.

Sadly one thing it's it's what is reported to allied and war's bullettins.
Another thing it's what's reported on war diaries and military documents.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Vaeltaja » 11 Mar 2013 14:19

I don't know about Morozov but from the transcript of the after action report given to Finnish Laatokka naval units from the German EFO - http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3605141 - which separately notes that documents were salvaged from the sinking MO-175. Actual German report - http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3604660 and artistic map of the events http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3605145 (from actual report).

As for Suho or Operation Brasil - http://digi.narc.fi/digi/view.ka?kuid=3605151 (German reports) - It appears the ferry was shot to fire.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 12 Mar 2013 17:49

Thank you! Sadly i could not understood them all (not knowing german : /) and even if doesn't add much more info it's great that this kind of report survived at the war. ^^

Now... (for all the Finnish friends) there is some other kind of engagement involving Finnish crafts with gunfire that it's worth to be mentioned? Execially on Onega Lake, there are at least two interesting event. the clash of 4 September 1942 and then 8 July 1943. For what i've collected it seems that only the second one resulted in some light damages at two of the Soviet units involved.. and only due coastal fire.
During this second accident, a finnish tug towing a barge was attacked .. there are mentions about the name of the tug and possible light/splinter damage or wounded men?

Also...

4 July and 5 July 1945 in Viipuri Bay. There operations that included short meeting of Finnish and Soviet units.
I've read that Finnish suffered some losses and were effectively pushed away by Soviet air attacks (even if none unit was lost, and all the damage was inflicted by air attacks), there were however confirmed Soviet losses/damages among TK or MO ?

During the Tallin evacuation there were some Finnish MTBs operation, and if i remember well some light losses inflicted to minor targets. However, the MTBs met or had some short engagement with the escorts?
I've read that German MTBs tried to move closer, but received fire and abandoned the attack... honestly i don't know if classify this one as a clash due to the very short time and 0 reported damage. Or someone know of reports of light damages on German MTBs? attack should have happened 28 August 1941 involving S-26, S-27, S-39, S-40 and S-41
And the Soviet LeaderDestroyer Minsk was one of the units that fired at them.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Vaeltaja » 12 Mar 2013 20:26

For the 4 September 1942 event there is not much to describe - Finnish 'gunboats' Ilmari (tug with 2x40mm Vickers gun), Karhumäki (paddlewheel steamer with 2x75mm gun & 2x40mm gun) and patrol gunboat VTV-1 (ex-Soviet coastal launch, 1x76.2mm gun & 7xLMG at the time) met in the southern tip of Onega first one Soviet steamer towards whom VTV-1 was sortied and later pair of MO-boats which gained the Finnish formation moving whopping speed of 4 knots. Finnish exchanged shots with the steamer with no hits observed or received and did not respond to long distance firing from the MO-boats (which didn't hit anything either).

Onega coastal brigade's war diary does not describe the names for the Finnish tug and barge involved in the incident on July 1943. Soviet gunfire was reportedly rather inaccurate (~35 shells fired, first 100-200 m short of target, after apparent correction 300-400 m over the target - with 3 shells actually hitting the coast) and caused no damage or casualties. Finnish field artillery (well.. i suppose 'coastal') in turn fired on the Soviet boats reporting 'straddling' (but not hitting) the targets with their fire. Finnish artillery fired total of 26 shells.


4 and 5 July 1944 in the Viipuri Bay. According to Finnish accounts (timestamps are in Finnish time)

4 July - Finnish ships formed into two groups, Northern Group: gunboats Uusimaa & Hämeenmaa, artillery ferries AF 30 (ger.) & AF 31 (ger.), motor launches VMV 6, VMV 10, VMV 11 & smoke laying MBT (without torpedoes) H 3 and Southern Group: gunboat Turunmaa, auxiliary gunboat Viena, artillery ferries AF 9 (ger.) & AF 35 (ger.), motor launches VMV 15, VMV 16 & smoke laying MBT (without torpedoes) H 2

Northern group: At 1550 before the groups split an torpedo attack made by 11 Soviet MTBs - no hits. 1620 First air attack by ~20 Il-2 & escorting fighters against both groups, no damage. 1630 Soviet 85mm artillery started firing. 1621 total of three Soviet 'Fugas' minesweepers (i.e. large minesweepers) seen near Tuppura, Soviet ships hid behind smokescreens. 1647 Uusimaa hit twice by coastal batteries - first hit the mast and second near the front gun, all officers aboard wounded with ship's captain later perishing from the wounds, ship had to part from the formation which lead to whole group led by Uusimaa to turn back at 1649. During the turn first 35 and 10 minutes later 28 Il-2s attacked but were repulsed. 1715 Uusimaa was sent back alone and rest of the group turned around to shell at MO boats claiming to have sunk one of them. When whole of the Soviet landing area in Teikari islands direction was covered by smoke the group turned back on 1730.
Second group sailed more to the south and met strong resistance already at 1630 and could not advance further. It was attacked against by air craft three times and twice by Soviet MTBs. 1737 attacked 26 Il-2s scoring two bomb hits on Turunmaa causing ship to start leaking and jamming the rear gun. Whole group started then heading back joining to the northern group shortly after.
Still operational ships kept patrolling the area 1830-1930 fending off two Soviet air attacks in which there were estimated to have been total of 90-100 Il-2s. Ships received splinter damage, and plenty of barrel explosions had already taken place.
Gunboats Turunmaa, Uusimaa, Hämeenmaa and motor launches VMV 10 and VMV 11 could not be repaired in the field and had to be sent back. Two German artillery ferries were still fully combat ready.

5 July - Finnish formation consisted of auxiliary gunboats Viena & Aunus, artillery ferries AF 31 & AF 35 (both German), motor launches VMV 5, VMV 14, VMV 15 & VMV 16 and smoke laying MBTs J 4 & V 2.

Around 6 Soviet MO and MBT boats were seen of which 4 attacked against the group at 1240 - attack was repulsed and one of the Soviet boats exploded. 1250 air attack by 14 Il-2s - three 100 kg bombs hit Aunus, of which only one exploded, damage rendered ship combat ineffective. Aunus was forced to retire but since it was also the flagship and carried the whole command element it forced the whole formation to return. During the return trip ships fended of Soviet MBT raid (by four boats at 1305) and Soviet air attack (by 23 Il-2s at 1345). All ships arrived safely to anchorage at 1420. Undamaged heavier vessels were ordered to return to the combat but before order could be carried out Soviet air attack to the anchorage hit Viena. Ship came close to sinking and was towed to shallow water. Soviet air attacks continued but did not cause any more damage. Both damaged auxiliary gunboats were ordered to Helsinki for repairs.


As to Finnish operation against Tallinn evacuation. Finnish participation was from four torpedo armed VMV-boats of 'Group Carring' (after its CO) on 28 August 1941. VMV 17 claimed torpedoing three masted schooner Ata while the group captured tug Paldisk and I-18. Later on 31 August VMV 10 tried to torpedo Soviet transport Kazahstan but without success.

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Art » 12 Mar 2013 20:30

lupodimare89 wrote: 4 July and 5 July 1945 in Viipuri Bay. There operations that included short meeting of Finnish and Soviet units.
I've read that Finnish suffered some losses and were effectively pushed away by Soviet air attacks
There were complains about fire from coastal guns as well:
http://kotisivut.fonet.fi/~aromaa/Navyg ... cont44.htm
(even if none unit was lost, and all the damage was inflicted by air attacks), there were however confirmed Soviet losses/damages among TK or MO ?
In the engagement between Soviet MTBs and Finnish gunboats and accompanying vessels on 4 July 1944:
"our four cutters were damaged; one man was killed and 17 wounded":
http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php ... 65#p272165

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 12 Mar 2013 21:12

Thank you Vaeltaja ! Expecially about the Onega clashes ...

Now another question on Suho:
A running gunbattle was fought with these gunboats and heavy artillery ferries between 10.49 and 14.34 hours. The distance was 6 000 to 13 000 m. Soviet fire was straddling, but caused only splinter damages. The Germans claim four hits and explosion on after deck of one of the gunboats. The Soviet gunboats pulled outside German artillerys range and continued firing from 15.18. Torpedo attacks was done against ferries that had been dropped behind the main force. These ferries were T 6 that had engine defects and T 4 that towed the damaged hospital ferry. Soviet torpedoboats TKA 61 and TKA 81 made attacks from smoke screen at 11.32, 11.35, and 11.40 without results.
I've not noticed this...
I don't think to have seen in the two German reports a list of all the units and respective damage. However if the hospital ferry had to be towed, the damage wasn't probably much light. This part is reported before the last attempt to destroy the third gun on the east cost. And being no mention in the text at a damage during the previous landing, this lead to say that it was damaged during the pursuing action. By aircraft or fire of gunboat... but seems a bit in contraddiction becaus say that only splinter damage was caused. Maybe this was enaugh to immobilize the hospital ferry?

And about the gunboats, i've found two different things. One said that both Bira and Selemdzha suffered some light damage (the second one with 2 WIA), another only mentioning the Selemdzha.

Really thank you art for that link. I've still not found time to work on it and i'm sorry that some of my questions can find reply there and i keep asking v.v
I've still to read others too. Now i've an huge "collection" of russian (and few german) sites to check XD
And also i've done a bad thing at the beginning, i've saved the link of a number of russian sources some time ago and worked on a "list" of clashes...but i forgot to sign every time from which site i got the information about this or this other engagement...

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 13 Mar 2013 12:41

По бою 13 июля, вопрос, конечно, интересный. Даже имея на руках практически все возможные немецкие документы нельзя ясно понять некоторые вопросы. Например, состав конвоя. Точно его лидером был тральщик М-251. Точно в него входили пять моторных тральщиков 2-й флотилии (R-28, -29, -168, -169, -170) и два торпедных катера (S-54, -58) , к которым позднее присоединилась еще одна пара (S-47, -57). Роль последних не до конца понятна в связи с отсутствием по непонятной причине КТВ 3-й флотилии ТКА за 1-ю половину июля. Точно все они охраняли корабли и суда Эксперементального соединения "Остзее". Лидер конвоя М-251 говорит, что их было 47 вымпелов. Командир десантного соединения в радиограмме в штаб BdK докладывает о 4 плавучих артбатареях, 21 барже, 1 танкере, 9 прибрежных теплоходах, 5 "мотор-ботах", но это не может быть правдой. В частности абсолютно точно в состав конвоя входили только три плавбатареи - тяжелая "Август", легкие "Гретхен" и "Германия". Был штабной корабль ДС "Фейя" и были 1-й и 2-й буксировочные отряды. По штату каждый отряд состоял из четырех буксирных караванов. Каждый караван включал буксир, две несамоходные баржи и два штурмовых катера, т.е. пять плавединиц. Таким образом, два буксировочных отряда и давали ок. 40 вымпелов. К буксировочным отрядам и плавбатареям нужно добавить Особую группу самоходных барж (три баржи и один люгер). Вот все это в сумме и давало те самые 47 вымпелов, а что касается танкер и прибрежных теплоходов - их там не было и по ходу прорыва они ни разу не фигурируют.
The "August" is a "ferry ship" or a "self-propelled barge"? I've not understood it from the translation : /
"B1P, B2P and Eemlan " (mentioned too as lightly damaged by TK, as the August) are surely towed barges i think.


I thank you Art for that forum, i will explore it better ^^

I've found however in that MTB topic two clashed that were mentioned but not started a true discussion:

27 March 1945 (the point 39)) there is no mention at the German claimed TK-181 that was supposed sunk. I've read on German sources of 3 MTBs sunk (TK-181, TK-166 and TK-196) but only the last two are mentioned in modern russian ones (i think it's a German mistake). However reading the old Soviet report appear that the German MTBs were many, while according German sources were only 3 of them (S-64, S-69, and S-81) sadly that site give no further detail about their damages while the Soviet report spoke of heavy exchange of gunfire, and apart claims to have "sunk 2 enemies", some damage could have been inflicted

The other thing is the old point 10)
In the forum there is a mention to the German "RA-53 and RA-55"described as sunk by Soviet MTBs ina clash occurred in 1 August 1941 (by TK-74 and TK-84. While soviets lost TK-122) however there is only a mention to a fight occurred in 26 July, with R-169 sunk possibly by air attack and R-168 and R-169 fought against MTBs

It's a bit unclear...

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by lupodimare89 » 13 Mar 2013 14:13

ops sorry... this last event was reported in 26 july 1942, not '41
Still searching about what happened 1 August 1941 (or close date)

EDIT. I've seen in that fourm (look at bottom) http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=5050&p=2 a mention for 1942, but i've read that R-169 was lost in 1941.

Possibly the user seabear wrote wrong 1942 and all happened in 1941?
With R-169 sunk by air attack, R-170 and R-168 forcing away TK MTBs
Another description list also R-53 and R-63 as damaged during the air raid. So it's almost sure i think that happened in July 1941. If the R-53 was later reported sunk in August

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 13 Mar 2013 21:05

Some battle of Suho related photos and footage:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1777195

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Re: Soviet Naval Battles (help with info)

Post by Juha Tompuri » 13 Mar 2013 21:20

Vaeltaja wrote:For the 4 September 1942 event there is not much to describe - Finnish 'gunboats' Ilmari (tug with 2x40mm Vickers gun), Karhumäki (paddlewheel steamer with 2x75mm gun & 2x40mm gun) and patrol gunboat VTV-1 (ex-Soviet coastal launch, 1x76.2mm gun & 7xLMG at the time) met in the southern tip of Onega first one Soviet steamer towards whom VTV-1 was sortied and later pair of MO-boats which gained the Finnish formation moving whopping speed of 4 knots. Finnish exchanged shots with the steamer with no hits observed or received and did not respond to long distance firing from the MO-boats (which didn't hit anything either).

Onega coastal brigade's war diary does not describe the names for the Finnish tug and barge involved in the incident on July 1943. Soviet gunfire was reportedly rather inaccurate (~35 shells fired, first 100-200 m short of target, after apparent correction 300-400 m over the target - with 3 shells actually hitting the coast) and caused no damage or casualties. Finnish field artillery (well.. i suppose 'coastal') in turn fired on the Soviet boats reporting 'straddling' (but not hitting) the targets with their fire. Finnish artillery fired total of 26 shells.
Earlier ones about the issue:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=108943
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1658555

Regards, Juha

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