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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 24 Apr 2017 18:59

Kalinin Front 1942-43

1-31 January 1942:

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26169 killed, 62531 wounded, 8744 missing, 2627 sick, 2817 others. Total 102 888 casualties
From the war diary, January 42:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=440105273

February 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885215
28930 killed, 62598 wounded, 7313 missing, 2423 sick, 2640 others. Total 103 904 casualties

March 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885398
26784 killed, 57050 wounded, 19452 missing, 4199 sick, 1804 others. Total 109 286 causalities.

April 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885603
20513 killed, 44188 wounded, 4478 missing, 4380 sick, 538 others. Total 75 087 casualties.

May 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885729
8052 killed, 14609 wounded, 2553 missing, 5420 sick, 1020 others. Total 31 654 casualties.

June 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885810
4771 killed, 8848 wounded, 855 missing, 7466 sick, 484 others. Total 22 424 casualties.

July 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885911
9614 killed, 22550 wounded, 48520 missing, 5396 sick, 1194 others. Total 87 278 casualties.

August 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273886053
28956 killed, 84675 wounded, 2570 missing, 3094 sick, 402 others. Total 119 697 casualties.

September 1942:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273886141
3111 killed, 6134 wounded, 1138 missing, 1807 sick, 263 others. Total 12 463 casualties.

January 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273889456
14849 killed, 34877 wounded, 3122 missing, 8887 sick, 432 others. Total 62 167 casualties.

February 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273889522
7040 killed, 14175 wounded, 680 missing, 7872 sick, 208 others. Total 29 975 casualties

March 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273889605
10298 killed, 22640 wounded, 472 missing, 21 captured, 7409 sick, 244 others. Total 41 084 casualties.

April 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897370
2201 killed, 3979 wounded, 126 missing, 5 captured, 6149 sick, 282 others. Total 12 742 casualties.

May 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897442
2454 killed, 5193 wounded, 131 missing, 5243 sick, 249 others. Total 13270 casualties.

June 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897513
3099 killed, 6495 wounded, 142 missing, 28 captured, 4973 sick, 179 others. Total 14 916 casualties.

July 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897582
2155 killed, 5380 wounded, 49 missing, 4 captured, 4896 sick, 179 others. Total 12 663 casualties.

August 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897650
11736 killed, 34807 wounded, 664 missing, 13 captured, 5395 sick, 207 others. Total 52 822 casualties.

September 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273897739
14441 killed, 46032 wounded, 950 missing, 3938 sick, 95 others. Total 65 456 casualties.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 28 Apr 2017 10:23

Tank losses, Kalinin Front, 1942-43 (Rzhev-Vyazma, Rzhev-Sychevka and Velikiye Luki operations):

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885219
February 1942:
7 KV, 55 T-34, 9 Mk-II, 44 BT. Total 115 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885402
March 1942:
20 KV, 16 T-34, 33 T-60, 5 MK-II, 3 BT. Total 77 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885607
April 1942:
9 KV, 42 T-34, 4 T-60. Total 55 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885733
May 1942:
11 T-34, 27 T-60, 1 Mk-II. Total 39 tanks.

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885814
June 1942:
12 T-34, 1 T-60, 3 Mk-II. Total 16 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273885915
July 1942:
17 KV, 72 T-34, 53 T-60, 3 Mk-II, 3 Mk-III. Total 148 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273886057
August 1942:
12 KV, 72 T-34, 33 T-70, 30 T-60, 17 Mk-II, 9 Mk-III, 9 M3 medium, 6 M3 light. Total 188 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273886145
September 1942:
2 T-60, 1 Mk-II. Total 3 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=273889444
January 1943:
6 KV, 35 T-34, 26 T-70, 2 T-60. Total 69 tanks.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 02 May 2017 20:48

Volkhov Front 1942-44

Summary of casualties 1.01.1942-1.11.1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=132341755
January 1942: 14578 killed, 43735 wounded, 2007 sick, 2495 frostbites, 9286 missing, 50 prisoners, 678 others. Total 73 029 men
February 1942: 12464 killed, 29912 wounded, 2690 sick, 1078 frostbites, 5165 missing, 51 prisoners, 1086 others. Total 52 446 men
March 1942: 9204 killed, 26543 wounded, 2289 sick, 218 frostbites, 2047 missing, 15 prisoners, 363 others. Total 40 679 men
April 1942: 16796 killed, 43252 wounded, 4580 sick, 133 frostbites, 1509 missing, 65 prisoners, 812 others. Total 67 147 men
May 1942: 8686 killed, 23102 wounded, 6305 sick, 4375 missing, 43 prisoners, 834 others. Total 43 345 men
June 1942: 9531 killed, 26851 wounded, 6113 sick, 2908 missing, 195 prisoners, 601 others. Total 45 929 men
July 1942: 4063 killed, 11522 wounded, 6062 sick, 1141 missing, 12 prisoners, 543 others. Total 23 343 men
August 1942: 8428 killed, 25577 wounded, 4925 sick, 653 missing, 21 prisoners, 1210 others. Total 40 814 men
September 1942: 19703 killed, 57233 wounded, 4107 sick, 9213 missing, 20 prisoners, 1012 others. Total 91 288 men
October 1942: 3671 killed, 8316 wounded, 3992 sick, 2498 missing, 19 prisoners, 315 others. Total 18 811 men
November 1942: 1818 killed, 4602 wounded, 4180 sick, 3 frostbites, 604 missing, 6 prisoners, 192 others. Total 11 405 men
December 1942: 1145 killed, 2675 wounded, 4824 sick, 6 frostbites, 32 missing, 22 prisoners, 146 others. Total 8850 men
January 1943: 20073 killed, 54122 wounded, 5020 sick, 71 frostbites, 2628 missing, 4 prisoners, 288 others. Total 82 206 men
February 1943: 13615 killed, 37586 wounded, 4830 sick, 55 frostbites, 1909 missing, 11 prisoners, 266 others. Total 58 272 men
March 1943: 12352 killed, 34165 wounded, 5174 sick, 8 frostbites, 1176 missing, 10 prisoners, 349 others. Total 53 234 men
April 1943: 2442 killed, 6649 wounded, 4923 sick, 7 frostbites, 13 missing, 10 prisoners, 149 others. Total 14 293 men (correct summation gives 14 193)
May 1943: 1234 killed, 3334 wounded, 4947 sick, 60 missing, 10 prisoners, 91 others. Total 9676 men
June 1943: 1045 killed, 2840 wounded, 6246 sick, 24 missing, 6 prisoners, 85 others. Total 10 246 men
July 1943: 4288 killed, 11872 wounded, 4792 sick, 173 missing, 1 prisoner, 57 others. Total 21 183 men
August 1943: 7895 killed, 20110 wounded, 4062 sick, 216 missing, 7 prisoners, 92 others. Total 32 382 men
September 1943: 1441 killed, 4186 wounded, 3180 sick, 87 missing, 10 prisoners, 61 others. Total 8965 men
October 1943: 3713 killed, 10674 wounded, 3076 sick, 26 missing, 2 prisoners, 59 others. Total 17 550 men

November 1943 (partial report):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=132341743
697 killed, 1954 wounded

December 1943 (partial report):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=132342932
526 killed, 1306 wounded

14 January - 13 February 1944 (in fact 10.1-10.2.44):
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=113893051
18058 killed, 49479 wounded, 4538 sick, 12 frostbites, 918 missing, 70 prisoners, 74 others. Total 73 149 men.
10-20 January - total 20 011 men including 4443 killed and 13992 wounded.
21-31 January - 27 398 men including 7683 killed and 18307 wounded
1-10 February - 22 423 men including 6548 killed and 15875 wounded
Total 10.01-10.02.44 - 71 772 men including 18684 killed and 48174 wounded. I don't know why there is a difference.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 02 May 2017 21:41

Comparing the numbers above with "Soviet casualties and combat losses" by Krivosheev

1942 (summation by months):
110 087 killed, 303 050 wounded, 52 274 sick, 3933 frostbites, 39 950 missing and prisoners, 7792 others. Total 517 086 men
Krivosheev: 117 327 killed, 326 447 wounded, 53 081 sick, 4034 frostbites, 82 337 missing and prisoners, 8925 others. Total 592 101 men

Clearly there is some gap in report, especially in the number of missing in action. The month of June associated with destruction of the Vlasov's army looks particularly suspect because numbers given in the report don't look realistic at all. Presumably most difference must be attributed to this month.

January-October 1943 (summation by months):
68 098 killed, 185 538 wounded, 46 250 sick, 141 frostbites, 6383 missing and prisoners, 1497 others. Total 308 007 men
Krivosheev (1943): 69 321 killed, 189 587 wounded, 53 766 sick, 147 frostbites, 6520 missing and prisoners, 1590 others. Total 321 404 men.
The difference is perfectly explained by causalities during two months (November-December).

For the year 1944 Krivosheev gives the aggregate number of 50 304 casualties. Most probably it covers only the month of January. In this case we have a reasonable agreement.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Hamburg44 » 13 May 2017 23:29

Hello Art,

much thanks for your interesting documents.

Recently I read of an initiative in the duma of the non governmental organization Immortal regiment which is published on the website of

http://www.soldat.ru/news/1064.html.

The initative sets the irreplaceable losses (dead and missing) at about 19 million soldiers of the red army in ww2.

They argue, that the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of Russia keeps the reports on the irretrievable losses from military units from the front and military registration and enlistment offices at the place of conscription of non-returning soldiers. They contain the names of specific 19.8 million people. - dead abd missing.

The study of absolutely all regional commemorative Books of Memory of Russia and the CIS countries, as well as official digital data on non-returned CIS and Baltic countries showed that the total number of participants in the war in the Armed Forces of the USSR (hereinafter referred to as the USSR Armed Forces) , 7 million people, and the irretrievable losses of servicemen are taken into account in the number of almost 17 million people. No doubt, in regions and countries it is better known how many people left for the war, how many did not return. Recall that according to the state commission, the official number of participants in the war - 34.5 million people. Military personnel and about 0.5 million people. Civilians, and irrevocable losses - 8.7 million servicemen. Why is the difference between the books on Memory and other sources taken into account by the total number of participants in the war and official figures of 6.2 million? Why is the difference in 8.3 million registered non-returned servicemen not included in the official data on irrecoverable losses? Why did the state commission completely ignore such an important layer of information, documented in the regions?

The official strength of the Armed Forces of the USSR was after VE-day 12.8398 million, the disabled (3,4651 million), who returned from captivity (0.9493 million, not returned to the USSR Armed Forces) transferred to Industry specialists (0.09473 billion), convicted persons (0.4366 million), uncovered deserters from the troops (0.2124 million), as well as defectors from the West (0.25 million). Only 18.25 million people.After official number 34.5 million people were in the war "under arms" . Of these 16.25 million people are absent from the records of the living at this date. Of these, 8.7 million people, as we know, are the official irretrievable losses of the USSR Armed Forces. Why is the difference in 7.55 million people on July 1, 1945, absent from the official strength of the losses of servicemen? Where did they go?

It is common knowledge that in 1945-1995, Medals "For victory over Germany" and "For victory over Japan" were awarded to soldiers who were at the end of the war in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces, demobilized wounded, sick, disabled, specialists and civilian personnel. In total, both medals were awarded to 14.8 million and 1.8 million people. Accordingly, about 0.7 million of them were awarded with both medals. A total of 15.9 million people were awarded military men and civilians. Awarded to all those who were able to identify. Officially are accounted for 35 million servicemen and civilians staying in the USSR, why 19.1 million people were not rewarded of them? Where did they go? Are not the battles left in the fields?

According to the results of the work of the State Commission, the official number of missing servicemen is about 4.56 million. It is known that in the reports on the losses of the military units from the front, about 3 million missing are counted. After the war, military registration and enlistment offices also managed to take into account 8.11 million people in their reports, 97% of them are missing. In addition, not one report about the losses of any instance of about 1.8 million people, who was drafted by the military commissariats for service in the USSR Armed Forces, did not return home from the fronts. In total, this gives almost 12.7 million people. Missing persons. Why is the number of missing persons almost three times higher than official information?

In 2001, the state commission announced a total decrease in the population of the USSR of 38.5 million people. Subtraction of it 11.9 million gives the very notorious 26.6. But after all, "of course" the dead have already been taken into account in this number! Those. It is laid in the commission's calculations twice! And if this doubling is not done, then we have "extra" 11.9 million people. If we combine them with losses of military personnel of 8.7 million people, we get their irretrievable losses of 20.6 million people. It's more like the truth, citizens are good! There is also a flip side to this collision. Given the meager mortality of military personnel for "natural" reasons - someone will risk asserting that the civilian population in the amount of lost 29.8 million people. (17.9 + 11.9)? There are no such close people.

A particular example that characterizes the whole. Nizhegorodets Valery Kiselev, an activist of the Immortal Regiment of Russia, for many years traced all the available sources (from relatives to the archive of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation) to the fate of 958 people called to the 771st Infantry Regiment of Gorky's 137th Infantry Division. Returned from the front of only 35 people (3.6%). 277 people. Were lost, 585 were missing. 61 people do not appear on any of the lists of losses (6.4%).

If we apply 6.4% of the total official number of servicemen of the war participants (34.5 million people), then we can get the number of losses not listed in any lists of about 2.21 million people. In the present study, in determining the losses of military personnel, we operate with a smaller value of 1.8 million due to the possible spread of data depending on the region.

The problem of military losses during the Great Patriotic War is still incredibly acute for Russian families. That is why for almost 30 years, search engines of Russia and the CIS countries among the found on the battlefields and by name of the identified warriors identify either missing or not accounted for in any official list of losses by 80%. The obscurity of the destinies of so many people for decades is thrown into the wall of letters arriving at every instance that is engaged in establishing the fate of military personnel.

This endless shaft in 2009 led even to the fact that the Central Archive of the Russian Ministry of Defense, thanks to the introduction of the new edition of paragraph 248 of the Manual on Archival Affairs in the Armed Forces (Order No. 493 of the Defense Ministry of May 30, 2009), completely stopped Respond to written requests of citizens to establish the fate of their loved ones, recommending them to personally come to the archive! If you say short for the archivists, then it sounds like this: "Establishing the fate is now not our business." The current reality is that the establishment of the fate of missing servicemen in Russia is now generally legislated to none of the state bodies is charged. Last 8 years, instead of answering the requests of citizens, they are sent to the electronic databases of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in the Internet "Memorial", "Feat of the people"


Art, you are the most balanced moderator I ever met on these topic. What do think of it?

Are those offical loss dates of the RKKA reliable ?

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 14 May 2017 14:45

Hamburg44 wrote: Are those offical loss dates of the RKKA reliable ?
The simplest answer is "it depends". That reporting in the first period of war reporting was not complete is a widely accepted notion. So even official publications (from about 1990 and on) tried to account for incomplete reporting and introduce some "corrections". How they were calculated was not described in details and most likely they were an underestimate. I can recommend "Human losses in the Great Patriotic War" by S.N. Mikhalev as the most valuable analysis of the problem.
As for Ivlev and his calculations, he is, how to put it softly, deranged.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Hamburg44 » 15 May 2017 20:13

Hello Art,

much thanks for your answer.

I think it is not possible to hide 10 million missing soldiers..

best regards

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by stg 44 » 21 May 2017 14:28

Hamburg44 wrote: The initative sets the irreplaceable losses (dead and missing) at about 19 million soldiers of the red army in ww2.

They argue, that the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense of Russia keeps the reports on the irretrievable losses from military units from the front and military registration and enlistment offices at the place of conscription of non-returning soldiers. They contain the names of specific 19.8 million people. - dead abd missing.
If you don't mind I'll add 2 cents to this topic, as I've had a similar argument on other forums about this topic. According to a Russian poster who runs a WW2 history blog and apparently is a historian who works in the archives, publishing some documents online, he found that the Central Archive has a lot of duplicate copies of personnel, apparently finding 5 different records of his own grandfather with different spellings of his name. The files were not merged and effectively then would mean he could be counted several times statistically speaking. Apparently the Soviets loved to keep detailed records, which had a tendency to result in a massive amount of paperwork that often contains duplication of individuals and inaccuracies so bureaucrats could cover their ass in Stalin's Soviet Union. It is therefore likely, assuming what I've been told is true, that the Central Archive count for losses is too high, while the official number of losses is too low due to the breakdown of the reporting systems especially early in the war and in situations where reports of induction of people at the front were just not kept or sent.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 22 May 2017 20:17

Voronezh Front, July 1943 (Battle of Kursk, operation "Citadel"):

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400152
Losses 5-16.7.1943:
18097 killed, 47272 wounded, 24851 missing, 29 captured. Total 90 239 battle casualties. 1204 tank destroyed and 655 damaged, 29 SP guns destroyed. 1605 guns, 1734 mortars, 347 airplanes.
Losses 16-22.7.1943:
2481 killed, 7155 wounded, 1047 missing. Total 10 683 battle losses. 367 tanks destroyed and 179 damaged, 28 SP guns destroyed and 15 damaged. 108 guns, 162 mortars, 40 airplanes

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400180
Personnel losses 5-16.7.43:
18097 killed, 47272 wounded, 2257 sick, 24851 missing, 29 captured, 335 others. Total 103 102 men
Personnel losses 17-22.7.43:
2481 killed, 7155 wounded, 668 sick, 1047 missing, 202 others. Total 26 726 men
Note that totals are different from the arithmetic sum (by 10261 and 15173 respectively). One can expect that was because there was no breakdown by categories available for those numbers.

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400192
Personnel losses 22-30.7.43:
2425 killed, 9520 wounded, 1184 sick, 453 missing, 11 captured, 113 others. Total 13 706

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400182
Losses of armor 5-15.7.43:
Write-offs: 21 KV, 844 T-34, 190 t-70, 13 T-60, 48 Mk-IV, 41 M3 Lee, 30 M3 Stuart, 3 Mk-II, 12 Mk-III, 22 SU-122, 7 SU-76. Total 1204 tanks and 29 SP guns
Damaged: 7 KV, 419 T-34, 177 T-70, 4 T-60, 20 Mk-IV, 10 M3 Lee, 8 M3 Stuart, 9 Mk-II, 11 Mk-III. Total 655 tanks

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400181
Losses of armor 15-23.7.43:
Write-offs: 3 KV, 237 T-34, 87 T-70, 1 T-60, 8 Mk-IV, 22 M3 Lee, 9 M3 Stuart, 18 SU-122, 10 SU-76. Total 367 tanks and 28 SP guns
Damaged: 3 KV, 115 t-34, 43 T-70, 2 T-60, 5 Mk-IV, 8 M3 Lee, 3 M3 Stuart, 11 SU-122, 4 SU-76. Total 179 tanks and 15 SP guns.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 23 May 2017 13:07

Voronezh Front, August 1943 (operation "Rumyantsev")

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400250
Personnel casualties 1-10 August:
7335 killed, 27280 wounded, 2008 sick, 1282 missing, 20 captured, 112 others. Total 27 927 men

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400344
Personnel casualties 13-22 August:
5706 killed, 19495 wounded, 899 sick, 7917 missing, 54 captured, 306 others. Total 34 377 men

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400365
Personnel casualties 20-31 August:
7700 killed, 27873 wounded, 1287 sick, 6907 missing, 113 captured, 263 others. Total 44 143 men

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400324
Armor losses (write-offs) 3-13 August:
2 Mk-IV, 6 KV, 418 T-34, 66 T-70, 3 T-60, 12 Mk-III, 1 M3 Lee, 1 M3 Stuart. Total 509

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400342
Armor losses 10-20 August:
12 KV, 6 Mk-IV, 444 T-34, 52 T-70, 7 T-60, 39 Mk-III, 2 M3 Lee, 2 SU-152, 3 SU-122, 4 SU-76. Total 571

https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=151400364
Armor losses 20-31 August:
12 KV, 261 T-34, 19 T-70, 3 T-60, 19 Mk-III, 3 M3 Stuart, 9 SU-152, 35 SU-122, 3 SU-76. Total 366

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by chinesefox » 23 May 2017 15:31

Art wrote:
Hamburg44 wrote: Are those offical loss dates of the RKKA reliable ?
As for Ivlev and his calculations, he is, how to put it softly, deranged.
Hi Art,really appreciate your effort to introduce these documents ,it helps a lot.

I'm just curious, although you want to put it softly,does Igor Ivlev deserves to be labelled as "deranged"?

PS, I have no intention to say his USSR casualty figures of WW II are closer to the truth than the others

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 25 May 2017 08:22

Apparent obsession + confused reasoning. I would provide some factual criticism but not in this topic.

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by mars » 26 May 2017 15:34

Art wrote:Apparent obsession + confused reasoning. I would provide some factual criticism but not in this topic.
Art, I am interest to this topic too, would you be kind enough to open a new topic to elaborate it ?

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Art » 09 Jul 2017 15:40

Casualties of the West Front, September 1943 (Smolensk, operation "Suvorov"):
29 242 killed, 100 187 wounded, 3513 missing. Total 132 642 battle casualties
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=274171160

West Front, October 1943 (Orsha-Vitebsk):
15 707 killed, 39 727 wounded, 1169 missing. Total 56 603 battle casualties
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=274171357

West Front, November 1943 (Orsha-Vitebsk):

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9283 killed, 32 133 wounded, 626 missing. Total 42 042 battle casualties.
From war diary of the WF, November 1943:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=287673211

West Front, December 1943 (Orsha-Vitebsk):

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13 455 killed, 45 248 wounded, 9858 sick, 51 frostbites, 1129 missing, 47 captured, 340 others. Total 70 128 casualties (battle and non-battle).
From WF war diary, December 43:
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=287673212

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Re: Documents on military casualities

Post by Michate » 12 Jul 2017 08:14

Voronezh Front, July 1943 (Battle of Kursk, operation "Citadel"):
Many thanks for all these figures.
Are there, by chance, figures available for the Central Front during the same time period?

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