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Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 23 Jun 2019 00:34

Hello again!When I found this document https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454490860 on all known resource - pamyat-naroda.ru, at once decided for myself "to raise a level" in the course of work on registration of input of documents in a turn. The ideal for me in this are the documents on the website http://rkka.ru/iorg.htm Because Shtat No.010/302 is incomplete - there are no tabels of equipments, the process of reconstruction of these sections will be open.
Shtat No.010-302 separate tank battalion of November 28, 1941.1.jpg
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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 23 Jun 2019 00:59

...let's continue:
Shtat No.010-302 separate tank battalion of November 28, 1941.6.jpg
I apologize for such quality of material - of course if it was possible to place original Excel-files(on english and on russian), I wouldn't do a set from jpg-files in which sizes be limited by the engine of our forum! Variant of PDF-file without my reconstruction tables:
Shtat No.010-302 separate tank battalion of November 28, 1941.pdf
In conclusion, I want to express my deep gratitude to the resource rkka.ru to all its creators and to all those involved in its development!Thank you very much!(Спасибо Вам большое!)

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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 05 Aug 2019 22:54

I greeting all esteemed community!I would like to apologize for annoying mistake in Shtat posted earlier, :oops: in signatures to Shtat the surname of Military Commissar of Formations and Staffing Department of Auto-Armored Forces of Red Army is incorrectly indicated, should read as follows - Regimental Commissar Kolosov. I would like to supplement laid out Shtat with materials that I found interesting. Maybe these materials will be else somebody interesting and possibly useful. I was curious about how long separate tank battalions existed on Shtat No.010/302? Thanks to such a wonderful resource, which is site tankfront.ru, we can find information about, that of all separate tank battalions formed on Shtat № 010/302, 171st battalion lasted longest. By this link http://tankfront.ru/ussr/otb/otb171.html - from November 23, 1941 to November 30, 1944. However, there is no direct mention that this battalion was kept on the above-stated state up to the reorganization in self-propelled artillery regiment, but also there is no direct indication that this battalion was transferred from Shtat No.010/302 to other Shtat. I decided for myself to clarify it and at same time to find out whether such a long-lived unit in singular. I decided for myself, that I will "to dig" not deep and not far... My attention attracted also 107th separate tank battalion II - III formation. These reporting documents of Volkhov Front indirectly, but still confirm that 107th battalion, as well, (as 171st) had organization on Shtat No.010/302 and may have kept it until its reformation into self-propelled artillery regiment
Information on presence and condition of tank units of Volkhov Front on 1st July 1943 page1.jpg
Information on presence and condition of tank units of Volkhov Front on 2nd July 1943 page2.jpg
link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=113934499
Reference-report on presence, condition of tanks and staffing of Armored units of Volkhov Front on December 24, 1943 page1.jpg
Reference-report on presence, condition of tanks and staffing of Armored units of Volkhov Front on December 24, 1943 page2.jpg
link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=133298962 On 107th battalion, there is another interesting document, it mentioned battalion organization from four companies, there are also interesting information on combat experience - "Report on combat actions of 107th separate tank battalion in January 1944" on 17 pages, here link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=455050969 On 171st separate tank battalion were considered report headquarter documents. The main of them were two journals of combat reports with overall content in 142 pages, which it can be considered history of battalion is expressed in the combat reports - 1st "Journal of combat reports 171st separate tank battalion from December 17, 1941 to February 20, 1944", on 61 pages, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451007499 and 2nd "Journal of combat reports 171st separate tank battalion from February 21, 1944 to November 26, 1944", on 81 pages, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=451007507 Next, I'm going to call them - 1st log and 2nd log. This is on basis of this material can already draw final conclusion - 171st, lived on Shtat No.010/302 until time, when it became 694th self-propelled artillery regiment.
I would now like to give little attention to history of 171st battalion, specifically with regard to issues related to organization, combat composition and peculiar properties of combat material part. I want to start not with above-mentioned journals, but with this document
Information on condition of 171st separete tank battalion on December 26, 1941 page1.jpg
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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 05 Aug 2019 23:59

...let's continue
Information on condition of 171st separete tank battalion on December 26, 1941 page2.jpg
link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=114789364 For comparison, here is similar document of 161th separate tank battalion
Information on composition of 161st separate tank battalion from December 28, 1941 page1.jpg
Information on composition of 161st separate tank battalion from December 28, 1941 page2.jpg
link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=114789372 It interesting because, that in document of 171st battalion on 1st page in 3rd paragraph "Presence of Material Part" indicated total quantity Matilda MkII tanks 12 units, from them only 6 MkII have radio stations. However on 2nd page at beginning giving note to 3rd paragraph:"all material part is new". How so? Didn't all Matilda tanks arrived from England with radio stations? Or radio stations could be removed already in USSR? For general statistics about "Queen of Desert", last remaining combat-ready tank Matilda in 171st battalion was irretrievably lost on July 11, 1944. British tank was part of group consist from 3 medium (another 2 T-34) and 1 light (T-70) tanks in during the soviet attack on village of Red October, MkII tank was hit by direct artillery fire of german anti-tank guns and burned down - entry from 11.07.44 on 57th page in 2nd log. 30 August 1944, just a day before transfer battalion from Active army to Reserve of Stavka in Tula Tank Military Camps, in list of unit was only one Matilda, which needed demanding overhaul, watch in this document - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from August 1 to August 31, 1944", on 17 pages, section "Material Part" on 12th page, here link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454898534 Based on following document, I can guess that this single MkII (somewhere remaining at 1st Baltic Front) could be written off when, before reorganization of battalion in regiment, there was a General write-off from lists of battalion - "Combat report No.079 of headquarters of 171st battalion September 7, 1944" on 1st page, section "2. Material part", link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454882422 Maybe someone has already conducted revision of information from this table is quite old, sorry for possible repeat
Tank units of Red Army, which were armed with tanks MkII ''Matilda'' 1941-1945.gif
source: article "Matilda" in Red Army", authors Kolomiets M., Moshchanskiy I. in "Tankomaster" magazine No.6 1999
I will indicate that data about 171st battalion on 21 July 1944 is incorrect in terms of specified quantity of particular type of light tanks, maybe just misprint. Data for end of July month are available on 14th page of this document - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from July 1 to July 30, 1944", on 15 pages, here link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454898533
It's time for small infographics. I really like how infographics applies in your posts Dear Der Alter Fritz. I decided to try it.
Dynamics of changes in combat and organizational composition of 171 sep.Tank Battalion Shtat No.010-302.jpg
My necessary explanations, comments, private and general conclusions based on this material. In preparing this infographics, I took into account only those transfers and receipt of combat material part to battalion, which led to a change in organization of its combat composition. As sources something more than two above-mentioned journals were required. I used Reports on combat actions of battalion, these reporting documents convenient because it contains general statistics for reporting period - one month. More accurate in terms of statistics operational documents (operational summaries, armoured summaries) have one single drawback for me - a lot of them and therefore they should be sorted out for long time. The data on maximum value of quantity combat material part of battalion by lists is based on data from this sourсe - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from November 1 to December 1, 1943", on 9 pages, section "Condition of material part" on 6th page, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454999477 Now as for story with inclusion of 171st battalion in composition of 26th Fighter Brigade. In 1st log, in entry "12.09.42" on 19th page and in "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion over period from August 25 to September 24, 1942" on 8 pages, here link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454895779 in 3rd number of paragraph on 6th page, number of Shtat on basis of which this organizational action is made is specified - No.04/374. My quick and therefore very superficial, the search gave such a document:"Brief combat characteristic 26 Separate Fighter brigade 4 Shock Army" of January 13, 1943 on 3 pages, present here:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=262183265 watch entry of "5.9.42" to 2nd page. Translation:"5.9.42 by order of Army's Commander No.276/sh, in composition of brigade entered 171 separate tank battalion, with armament and equipment, consist of 4 companies". This document would be very valuable if it had an indication number of Shtat of brigade, but unfortunately not. So far only number No.04/374, which as I assume is number of Shtat of Separate Fighter brigade. I would like to note such fact, on 3rd page of this document there is table of a ratio number on Shtat and factual number by list of personnel and material part of brigade. Position number "20." shows number of Mortars 50-mm /tank/ - 6 pieces, and as it is not difficult to guess this is 2-inches (50.8 mm) Bombthrower Mk.IA - grenade launcher mounted in turret of light tank MkIII"Valentine" Mk I-VII. In infographic mentioned 26th separate tank battalion, and this means that in 26th Fighter brigade was formed own tank battalion. Information about formation of this unit - when and where, we can find, oddly enough, in entry "13.10.43" on 3rd page, in this document - "The battle path of 171st separate tank battalion of 4th Shock Army from December 17, 1941 for November 15, 1943", on 5 pages, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454999476 The strangeness of this document is that fact of replenishment of 171st battalion at expense of separate tank battalion of 26th Brigade is indicated, but data about precedent of inclusion 171st in composition of this brigade, with indication of timing - no! Where did I get this number "26th"? Here, in this material, on 1st and 2nd pages - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from October 15 to October 19, 1943", on 4 pages, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454999475 The point "3." of section "Conclusions" on 2nd page is especially interesting:"the unpreparedness of crews for combat actions in connection with merger of two battalions".
And Yes, to "close" topic of U.K. tanks - looking through reports on combat actions of 171th battalion I came across on temporal appearance in nomenclature of ammunition of tank guns such position - "shells 75 mm", as example in "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from May 30 to June 6, 1943", on 11 pages, paragraph 12 "Condition of material part", on page 10th, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454999471 Ammunition loads of these shells is usually less than others, or not at all, examples here - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from February 23 to March 23, 1943", on 6 pages, section "IX Condition of material part" on last page, here link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454999465 and here - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from November 24 to December 25, 1942", on 5 pages, link:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454895782 watch section "VI", paragraph b) on 4th page. The answer to the question:"whose shells?" was here - section IV, paragraph b) on 9th page in "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from August 1 to August 25, 1942", on 10 pages:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454895778, translation:"The material part is serviceable, ammunition and POL are provided in full (except there were no shells on MkII with 75mm gun)". Respect for facts requires not to rely only single case, here it was impossible to do without recourse to operational documents. To be continued...
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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 06 Aug 2019 00:34

...let's continue! Such a document was found here on 1st page:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=136249706
Report on combat and numerical composition 171 s.TBn of April 1, 1943.jpg
There is no mention of 75 mm shells earlier than August 1942 in reports on combat actions of battalion, and these reports themselves no longer contain detailed composition of ammunition loads with indication of caliber's shells. As I suppose, "MkII with 75-mm gun" is special case in features of soviet designation in this particular battalion for Matilda CS with 3-inch howitzer. Any other options? Maybe someone will determine exactly what it was.
Now about relationship between organizational structure according to Shtat and actual condition of unit in Active army on front - two companies of small tanks, required to battalion according to Shtat, were formed and later replenished in battalion at same periods when in Soviet Armoured and Mechanized forces happened organizational and staffing events. I connect time of formation:
1.) with time of exit and execution of Order of NKO No.00106 of June 21, 1943, which set limit on number of Armoured and Mechanized forces and according to this order, some units were disbanded and reorganized (separate brigades/regiments/battalions), based on information in this material - http://tankfront.ru/ussr/organisation/org_tbr.html
2.) with ongoing reorganization of tank regiments on new Shtat No.010/414, according to which total number of light tanks in regiment was reduced from 16 to 7 - http://tankfront.ru/ussr/organisation/org_tp.html
Replenishment happened at end of January - beginning of February 1944, just at same time, when sub-units of light tanks finally disappeared from composition of tank brigades and regiments, according to latest editions of Shtat.
It is also interesting that Valentine tanks, lost in battles by November 1943, more in battalion on replenishment not received - and not surprisingly, since at this time there was happening reorganization of reconnaissance element of tank and mechanized corps, according to which motorcycle battalion by new Shtat No.010/487 required one company Valentine tanks. It is also necessary to pay attention on that, battalion during stay at front, allocated from its combat composition sub-units for transfer to other units. And once in Reserve of Stavka, battalion for short time found itself in role of training-reserve military unit. I think that, to talk about presence of tendency in organizational activity inside Soviet Armored and Mechanized forces on his particular example of certain battalion, is poorly founded. But maybe someone wants to give his interpretation of these facts, please speak out!
Now about fact, that officers-tankmen of 171st battalion were preparing motorised infantrymen-submachine gunners for 30th Guard Separate Heavy Tank Brigade. Quote from 2nd log - 79th page, second top paragraph:"Battalion by order of Tula Tank Military Camps got 2 platoons of submachine gunners, prepared them, but transferred them in 30th grd.hvy.tank brigade". For a start, I would like to note that according to investigated reports 171st battalion during stay at front interacted with infantry of different units and formations - rifle brigades and divisions, fighter brigade, penal companies and assault engineer-sapper brigade, about meeting with sub-units from last brigade there was an interesting remark in this document - "Report on combat actions of 171st separate tank battalion from June 1 to June 31, 1944", on 12 pages, link here:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454898532 on 7th page, section "Battle order", second top paragraph, quote:"Prepared perfectly assault panzerny (in text of original precisely so "панцерные") detachments in beginning of offensive significantly raised morale of tankmen". But facts of interaction of 171st battalion with motor-rifle infantry units and formations I could not find. According to level of combat organization and military specialization of trained contingent - platoon of submachine gunners, it can be assumed that these units were intended for regimental companies of submachine gunners of heavy tank regiments, which formed on basis of tank battalions of 30th Guard Separate Tank Brigade - http://tankfront.ru/ussr/organisation/s ... 0_otp.html and http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/gvtbr30.html My remark about this case - even not possessing information about how, whom initially were intended these two platoons, accidentally or not accidentally so happened, but and teachers and pupils - "found each other"! :milsmile:

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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Eugen Pinak » 06 Aug 2019 07:54

My respect! This is an impressive piece of work you've done.

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Hear! Hear.
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Re: Separate Tank Battalions 1941-45

Post by Nakhodchanin » 07 Aug 2019 21:20

Hello to the whole community! Special greeting to You Dear Eugen Pinak(Спасибі велике Вам Євген за вашу увагу і відгук!) and special greeting to You Dear Leo Niehorster(Vielen Dank Leo für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit und Ihr Feedback!)! If you, well-respected gentlemen, appreciated my last work so, it is not in vain that I decided to "raise the bar" in the study of the material. By the way, Dear Leo, infographic partly appeared thanks to You, or rather thanks to your Organization Chart of Shtat No.010/302 - http://niehorster.org/012_ussr/41_organ ... n_ind.html I noticed that You in Organization Chart of ind.TankBn showed in composition of battalion only one company of small tanks. I began to create an infographic with the main purpose to show the ratio of time periods of three-companies and four-companies compositions, on the example of separately taken battalion. I would like to send all those who wish to receive my original version in Excel format Shtat No.010/302 (in Russian of course) from November 28, 1941 to such a wonderful forum as Форум RKKA.RU - http://vif2ne.org/rkka/forum/0/co/124947.htm (link to Excel-file itself will be at end of specified message)

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Post by Leo Niehorster » 08 Aug 2019 07:27

Thank you for the correction. Duly made.

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