TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

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TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 26 Aug 2019 16:50

Hello again! When I found this Shtat No.012/212, I immediately decided to process it, all thanks to this interesting and valuable book
Nikiforov N.I.''Assault Brigades of Red Army in battles for Soviet Motherland''.jpg
on its pages 146th and 147th there is only mention of organization of similar military unit of same military formation. But as soon as I went a little deeper into this topic, I realized that in this matter it is not so simple - there are two different TO&Es behind the same unit name: separate Motorized Engineering Battalion of Shtat No.012/212 and separate Motorized Engineering Battalion of Shtat No.012/182. The determining factor in the difference will be the data on the formation of the brigade which includes a particular battalion. I would love to give a link to the aforementioned book on site militera.lib.ru, but there are some issues with that, to my regret. Translation of Shtat No.012/212 from June 20, 1944:
Shtat No.012-212.Structure.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TO-original p.1.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TO-original p.2.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TE I.jpg
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Re: TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 26 Aug 2019 17:04

...let's continue:
Shtat No.012-212.TE II.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TE III-IV.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TE V-VI.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TE VII-VIII.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TE IX.jpg
once again links - Shtat here:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454357389 and Tables of Equipment here:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454357421 This has already become a rule on my part - original documents that are not devoid of course of the characteristic manner of translation are to present as a PDF-file, to be continued...
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Re: TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 26 Aug 2019 17:27

...let's continue:
Shtat No.012-212 sep.MotEngrBn of sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK.pdf
I apologize for the poor quality of this document, I collect these same jpg-files through a free online create programm of PDF (Attention to all who have already downloaded this PDF-file, I replaced it with higher quality ones - this quality of "to pull out-eye" haunted me - sorry, that right away I did not finalized!). Now I would like to present his own version of reconstruction - how could be distributed to individual artillery weapons on personnel and I also reflected in document below changes to this Shtat and measures by Brigade command to optimize the use of resources of personnel:
Shtat No.012-212.TO-reconstruction p.1.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TO-reconstruction p.2.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.TO-reconstruction p.3.jpg
The sources for the reconstruction were the following documents: 1.) https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454357405 - "Changes in Shtat No.012/212 - 012/214, 012/152 on Order No.0138 of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK from July 31, 1944" on 2 pages
Changes in Shtat No.012-212 and others.jpg
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Re: TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 26 Aug 2019 18:10

...let's continue: 2.)https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454357470 - "Enumeration of positions, that are being subject to replacing on basis of Order No.01911 of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK from December 23, 1944" on 1st and 2nd pages:
List of replacing positions.jpg
On basis what source did I distribute to personnel individual artillery weapons - one particular source is not present, I looked at all original Shtat of Engineering Troops at all levels of command on resource rkka.ru and the last of my reconstructions-additions to Shtat No.012/212:
Shtat No.012-212.Staff-positions calculation p.1.jpg
Shtat No.012-212.Staff-positions calculation p.2.jpg
I plan to make separate post devoted to detailed analysis of contradictions between Shtat and ToEs, there by way I will touch in more detail and that gathered in the preparation of reconstruction. I do not promise material like the one I gave out after the publication of Shtat here viewtopic.php?f=79&t=242730, but something interesting I will present to the community!

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Re: TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 08 Sep 2019 22:12

Hello to the whole community!Before submitting accompanying material on previously published Shtat No.012/212 of sep.GrdMotEngrBn, I would like to make small selection of documents on Set's Shtat of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK itself, which included these battalions. In general, workflow was delayed due to fact that I had to delve deeper into the topic. Everything was clarified in general terms thanks to this book:
Gleb Vladimirovich Malinovskiy ''Brigades of Engineering troops of Red Army'' 2005.jpg
"Must have!" Now, I can tell that this Shtat, No.012/212 had limited dissemination - only seven battalions were kept on this Shtat and all they were in composition of unique formation of Engineering troops of Red Army, namely, 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK. The nature of above study did not allow to dwell on details, such as numbers of Shtat, from which number of Shtat unit go over to new number of Shtat, and even more so questions about combat composition and quantity. Also, in annex to book could not be organizational chart of this formation, is only for sep.MotEngrBde RGK of Shtat No.012/82. First, General list of brigade's Shtat - source:
Order of 1 sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK No.0116 of July 5, 1944.jpg
link - https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454357394 Translation:
Numbers's Shtat of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK on July 5, 1944.jpg
Now, as was and that became, source:
Order No.0093 of 1st sep.GrdEngrBdeSpeznaz June 2, 1944.jpg
original here, in "Journal of combat actions of 1st sep.GrdEngrBdeSpetsnaz from January 1 to December 31, 1944", on 171 pages:https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=131800529 on 56th page. Translation -
Numbers's Shtat of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK on June 2, 1944.jpg
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Re: TO&E of Soviet Engineering Troops 1941-1945

Post by Nakhodchanin » 09 Sep 2019 01:25

...let's continue, in last document not specified former numbers of Shtat of Administration, administration company, medical sanitary platoon and military post station. Number of Shtat med.san.plt not changed - No.012/152, 15 men, prior to the above changes download/file.php?id=445712&t=1 and after - 16 men. As regards to Administration and administration company, helped above handbook on brigades of Engr. troops, in which on 18th page provides information according to last, former Shtat of Administration No.012/113 - 60 men and former Shtat of administration company No.012/65 - 120 men. I have no information yet about Shtat's number of military post station. I compiled the author's schemes, from different pages to one sheet, while refining Organizational chart relating to topic of interest, graphically highlighted it:
Annex No.3 - Organizational charts (edited).jpg
To translate and write on top of original, I decided not to do, everything is here.
Now about strength on Shtat, I looked at following type of reporting documents of brigade on this subject - "Journal of combat actions'', from moment of formation of brigade and to end of war. As a result, I got such a document:
Data on Shtat of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK.jpg
In yellow I highlighted the positions, the data from which I reconstructed by comparison and analogy. Question mark I think does not require an explanation. I give links in chronological order with page numbers in the documents:
1.)"Journal of combat actions of 16th sep.EngrBdeSpetsnaz from June 24 to December 31, 1942", on 120 pages: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=150401967 combat composition of June on 2nd page;
2.)"Journal of combat actions of 1st sep.GrdEngrBdeSpetsnaz from January 1 to December 31, 1943", on 227 pages: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=150401968 combat composition of January 1 on 1st and 2nd pages, of April 1 on 50th page, of August 1 on 150th page, of October 1 on 173rd page;
3.)"Journal of combat actions of 1st sep.GrdEngrBdeSpetsnaz from January 1 to December 31, 1944", on 171 pages: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=131800529 combat composition of January 1 on 1st page, of April 1 on 37th page;
4.)"Journal of combat actions of 1st sep.GrdMotEngrBde RGK from January 1 to June 26, 1945", on 113 pages: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=131664928 combat composition of January 1 on 4th and 5th pages.
Note the two demonstrative moment: firstly, refection of work of Soviet Military System on optimization of manpower resource; secondly, refection of "brainstorm" those who were responsible for development of Shtat: data on January 1, 1943 - increase in quantity of motor transport, due to formation of Automotive - tractors company (Shtat No.012/156 - 260 men), and further reorganization this unit in Admin.Co; "Yes-No-Yes-No" as regards to ambulance cars, namely, where to keep its - in battalions? or in separate med.san.plt? Yes, I omit information more specifically that, as to matters within battalions themselves...
Long ago was such an interesting discussion - viewtopic.php?f=79&t=222698&hilit=Engineers+Sappers I can't pass it by! :milwink: What have I got? Look closely, in above Shtat No.012/212 the private-Red Army man named "sapper"("sapper-scout"). Grd.engineer-kapitan Fishkin, who led the above Journals of combat actions of brigade, named privates-fighters-Red Army men only and only "miner"/"минёр"("минёры"/"miners" in the plural) throughout war. In records show facts of awarding distinguished fighters by badges of ''Excellent Miner'', only these badges. Badges of ''Excellent Sapper'' not mentioned. These are the badges:
Badge of ''Excellent Miner''.jpg
Badge of ''Excellent Sapper''.jpg
In the description to first badge it is said, that under the circle there is mine superimposed on background of explosion. I do not know history of development of badge's design, but when I first saw it, I immediately remembered this:
Grenades.jpg
taken from here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Знаки_на_ ... _1812_года (Author of this image - Ivan Babanin) In my opinion, undoubtedly Soviet definition "минёр" this is elite military engineer. To my deep regret, this Russian Imperial/Soviet military term is thing of past.

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