RUSSIAN KING TIGER KILLERS

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RUSSIAN KING TIGER KILLERS

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Post by F/PAUL » 11 Jun 2003, 04:57

The King Tiger seemed to have made quite an impression on the russians. I recently came upon two pictures of russian ISU vehicles, one of which mounted a long-barreled 152mm cannon and the other mounted a 130mm modified naval gun. Both of these vehicles were on stretched 'Joseph Stalin' tank chassis. While neither of these vehicles went into production, and I have no penetration characteristics for the guns, I believe they would have given the King Tiger a difficult time.

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Post by PanzerKing » 11 Jun 2003, 06:46

Any gun in the three digit range would have given any tank a difficult time! :lol:


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Post by Kugelblitz » 11 Jun 2003, 07:02

No matter how big the gun is in size, it also depends on the caliber, the ammo you use, and where you put the shot.

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Post by Leibstandarte_reenactor » 11 Jun 2003, 07:54

muzzle velocity is important too
american M4 sherman had a low velocity 75mm cannon
German Panzer V "panther" also had a 75mm cannon that shot a high velocty round
aslo type of round fired HE, AP

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Post by Stuka » 11 Jun 2003, 08:52

Mr.F/PAUL:
Good day! The 152mm ISU mentioned by you maybe ISU-152-1 or ISU-152-2, and the 130mm ISU maybe SU-100Y which based on T-100 multi-turret tank's chassis, please double-check.
Pictures will be much appreciated.
Best rgds/ :D

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 11 Jun 2003, 10:00

Image -? :) -The 152 mm heavy self propelled artillery mounting ISU-152-1

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The 130 mm test heavy self propelled artillery mounting ISU-130

although not related capture under this one should go along the lines of "you wish..."

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Post by Kugelblitz » 11 Jun 2003, 20:23

Do you have a front image of the ISU-130?

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 11 Jun 2003, 20:35

Kugelblitz wrote:Do you have a front image of the ISU-130?
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Soviet ISU-152 Heavy Assault Gun

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Post by Bayerlein spirit » 11 Jun 2003, 20:41

Soviet ISU-130 Experimental Heavy Assault Gun
Soviet ISU-152 Heavy Assault Gun
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JS-7 Vs King Tiger

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 11 Jun 2003, 20:42

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Post by Stuka » 12 Jun 2003, 03:02

Dear Oleg:
Good day! What you post seems to be an beautiful IS-7, thank you who posted the isu-130 SPG's pic, I am so excited...... Real fantacy, real monster......
ISU152-1's barrel is too long to maneuver easily in woods.
Could you post more secret russian weapons' pic or more articles, thanx!!!!! :D
Best rgds

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Post by Redbaron1908 » 12 Jun 2003, 03:55

Great pictures, those are huge guns for tanks how did they manage to keep them level?

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Post by Lawrence Tandy » 12 Jun 2003, 04:05

Not 100%, but I think the engine acted as a counter weight as well.

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Post by Kugelblitz » 12 Jun 2003, 16:57

Thanks for the images :), about the JS-7, is ok the size compared to the Tiger II?, as far I knew the JS-7 was larger.

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Re: RUSSIAN KING TIGER KILLERS

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Post by - Barbarossa Isegrim - » 13 Jun 2003, 00:58

F/PAUL wrote:The King Tiger seemed to have made quite an impression on the russians. I recently came upon two pictures of russian ISU vehicles, one of which mounted a long-barreled 152mm cannon and the other mounted a 130mm modified naval gun. Both of these vehicles were on stretched 'Joseph Stalin' tank chassis. While neither of these vehicles went into production, and I have no penetration characteristics for the guns, I believe they would have given the King Tiger a difficult time.
Theoretically no. The 152mm gun (IIRC it was a gun-howitzer really) was a low velocity piece, lobbing big shells onto it`s targets. Penetration figure was 120mm for vertical armor at 1000m - that`s waaaay insufficinet to deal with a Konigstiger`s front armor, unless for the early Porsche turrets. Even though it could not penetrate it, the secondary effects should not be underestimated, with such B.F. shell hitting the armor, the weld could crack and spalling could result on the other side of the armor, injuring the crew, the transmission may not take the shock etc.

But this isn`t made it a good anti-tank gun. The ROF was ridiculus, at about 1 shot/min, 2 in the optimum case - clearly if you missed the target, the enemy could shoot at you 6-7 times before you could reload, which translates to almost certain loss of your own tank.

At Kursk it brought itself some fame - but it was more because the lacking capabilities of other Soviet AT weapons that were unable to deal with Tigers, Panthers and Ferdinands, and sometimes even the more avarage uparmored Panzers. At least the ISU/JSU-152 had some chance. But against "soft" targets, like AT guns, fortified places, pillboxes infantry etc. the 152mm gun was very capable and powerful, the only drawback being the limited ammo capacity. To make good use of the different capabilities, the ISU-152 was often used in mixed formations with the ISU-122s with their better anti-tank capabilites. ISU-152s were used also as a form of Soviet self-propelled arty pieces.

Here`s a good site and article on them:

http://www.battlefield.ru/isu122_152.html

http://www.battlefield.ru/su152.html

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