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Re: Soviet Cryptography 1939-1945

Post by stg 44 » 03 Aug 2020 14:10

Volyn wrote:
31 Jul 2020 18:43
stg 44 wrote:
30 Jul 2020 21:33
Volyn wrote:
28 Jul 2020 14:20
Really incredible how the Soviets were able to infiltrate almost every aspect of UK and US intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
Basically during the Great Depression Communism (and a bit before in the 1920s due to the rise of the USSR and disillusionment over WW1) got pretty popular in the US and UK, especially among the middle and upper clasess, so there was a large pool of willing people who for ideological reasons were very willing to spy on their own society. That largely fell apart after WW2 though given how so many were disillusioned with the USSR over what Stalin did from 1939-53.
What compensation did these spies receive, especially since they were giving away their national security crown jewels? From what I understand most of them were motivated by their philosophies and were not given much in the way of rewards.
That is my understanding as well. Most didn't do it for money in the 1920s-50s. It was out of ideology. Later on in the Cold War it was about money like with Robert Ames, but when Communism was a strong movement in the US and UK belief was enough.
Carl Schwamberger wrote:
01 Aug 2020 15:12
stg 44 wrote:
30 Jul 2020 21:33
Volyn wrote:
28 Jul 2020 14:20
Really incredible how the Soviets were able to infiltrate almost every aspect of UK and US intelligence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project
... That largely fell apart after WW2 though given how so many were disillusioned with the USSR over what Stalin did from 1939-53.
Or earlier. The elder Koch, founder of that family oil fortune, made some money at petroleum engineering services in the 1920s USSR. He ceased his contract circa 1928. Expressing disgust over the internal political stuggles. This was the same general time Stalin was securing his power & purging Trotskies supporters.
Koch's situation was quite different since he was seeing people he personally knew and liked get purged; at this point people outside the USSR were still dismissing any tales of Stalin's atrocities as capitalist propaganda. See all the lies people pushed about the Holodomor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

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