Location in the Ukraine

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Location in the Ukraine

Post by Jeff Leach » 22 Sep 2020 12:32

I was reading the deployment of the 5 VA on 01.05.44 and there was one place I couldn't find - 5-â Stat'â.

Here is a map of the area, the location of 5-â Stat'â is only approximate.
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Re: Location in the Ukraine

Post by Dann Falk » 22 Sep 2020 16:24

I think you can find your town Stata here, somewhere. Not sue of the spelling.

Mapster Link - http://igrek.amzp.pl/ (Huge number of maps)
Map link - http://maps.mapywig.org/m/German_maps/s ... V.1944.jpg

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Re: Location in the Ukraine

Post by Jeff Leach » 22 Sep 2020 16:43

Did you actually see it on the map (could you post a picture of the area in such a case)? I was working with wartime Soviet maps and couldn't find it. 5-â Stat'â us the transliteration of 5-я Статья.

The map I posted (Google Maps in the background) marks the location of wartime Soviet airfields and their modern names.

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Re: Location in the Ukraine

Post by Dann Falk » 22 Sep 2020 17:26

Greetings,

I did not find it because I was not sure of the spelling. The map link I posted was in the area you had indicated. It might be there. You should also check out the Mapster site, as it has many maps from different time periods and countries.

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Re: Location in the Ukraine

Post by GregSingh » 02 Oct 2020 00:53

Hi Jeff, so what's the original Russian name from reports ? 5-я Статья ?
I had a quick look in the area you marked and found Pjatkowa, which has similarity to the 5th in English.
Now called P'yatkivka.
If we become increasingly humble about how little we know, we may be more eager to search.

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Re: Location in the Ukraine

Post by Jeff Leach » 03 Oct 2020 06:46

Finally found it on a wartime Soviet map after a document mentioned it was in the Podìl’s’k (Kotovsk) area - its called Malij Kuâl’nik on Google maps, and is a few kilometers southeast of Podìl’s’k.

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5 AA Airfields

Post by Dann Falk » 03 Oct 2020 17:44

Found this in the TsAMO Archives.

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Post by Jeff Leach » 04 Oct 2020 06:26

I am working on a book about the VVS 1944-1945 and the TsAMO records are usually really good. That looks like a 5 VA map for August 1944 (there are usually two per month) and needs to be used with caution because they usually different in minor details from the subordinate corps and division records, which at time have similar maps.

That for the help, I always appreciate it.


Here are most of the airfield and various HQ locations for the 5 VA and subordinate units for May 1944, mapped on a Google Maps background and with their modern names. Note the places in the upper left-hand corner belong to the 2 VA. The circles with crosses are just place names, the circles with numbers are airfields, the number being the maximum number of regiments deployed there.

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Here are the details for the 231 Assault Aviation Division for May 1944, which contain the place name under discussion

231 ShAvD (568 ShAvP, 570 ShAvP, 873 ShAvP)
The 231 ShAvD was ordered to redeploy on 01.05.1944. The division staff was to move from Malij Kuâl’nik to Vărăcău, the 568 ShAvP from Lipec’ke to Zaporojeț, the 570 ShAvP from Perel’oti to Bălți., and the 873 ShAvP from Malij Kuâl’nik to Vărăcău. This redeployment was to be finished by 02.05.44. On 01.05.44 the division had 120(115/3) x Il-2, the 568 ShAvP had 40(38/2) x Il-2 with 38(28/10) x crews, the 570 ShAvP had 40(40/0) x Il-2 with 38(38/0) x crews, and the 873 ShAvP had 38(35/3) x Il-2 with 35(26/7) x crews.

The division was again ordered to deploy forward by the 5 VA on 11.05.44. The division headquarters moved to Tabăra, the 568 ShAvP to Andrieșeni, and the 873 ShAvP to Călărași. The 570 ShAvP remained at Bălți. The division remained at these stations until the end of the month. (85)
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