Soviet 203-mm howitzer B-4 - Stalin´s sledgehammer

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Soviet 203-mm howitzer B-4 - Stalin´s sledgehammer

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Post by TuomoKoo » 23 May 2021, 11:07

In Soviet-Finnish war in Karelian Isthmus in Feb.1944, Soviet red army destroyed heavy concrete bunkers of Mannerheim line with a direct fire of 203-mm B-4 howitzer. What was the Soviet method of using direct fire without giving chance to enemy to destroy howizer with an artillery fire? In attached photo there is a Soviet 203-mm B-4 howitzer used in Karelian Isthmus against Mannerheim-line.
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Post by John Hilly » 23 May 2021, 14:40

AFIK those bunkers were empty.
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Post by TuomoKoo » 24 May 2021, 06:29

According to a book "Mannerheim-line 1920 - 39 by Bair Irincheev. 8-inch B-4 howizers were used for open fire to destroy bunkers during combat situation. Pls. check this quote from the book.
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Post by John Hilly » 24 May 2021, 14:22

TuomoKoo wrote:
23 May 2021, 11:07
In Soviet-Finnish war in Karelian Isthmus in Feb.1944,
1944?
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Post by TuomoKoo » 25 May 2021, 07:58

Thanks for a comment John, the year should be 1940 (Winter war).

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 26 May 2021, 16:55

TuomoKoo wrote:
23 May 2021, 11:07
In Soviet-Finnish war in Karelian Isthmus in Feb.1944, Soviet red army destroyed heavy concrete bunkers of Mannerheim line with a direct fire of 203-mm B-4 howitzer. What was the Soviet method of using direct fire without giving chance to enemy to destroy howizer with an artillery fire? In attached photo there is a Soviet 203-mm B-4 howitzer used in Karelian Isthmus against Mannerheim-line.
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Odds are against the cannon being 'destroyed', but the crew would suffer. I've run across accounts of German and US Army regimental cannon companies doing the same thing. They were usually 'green' units with little combat experience. Not many examples of veterans using this technique.

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Post by Carl Schwamberger » 26 May 2021, 16:56

John Hilly wrote:
23 May 2021, 14:40
AFIK those bunkers were empty.
Would not surprise me. The Finns in the bunkers would be smart to evacuate to other positions a short distance away.

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Post by Orwell1984 » 26 May 2021, 16:59

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This is a recent book by Tankograd.
On page 33, it does cover operations on the Karelian Isthmus in 1944 when 2 B-4s were used as bunker busters, setting up only 800m away from their target. The unit involved was 4th battery of the 18th Guards Howitzer Brigade under Captain Vedemdenko. Much preparation was done to get the guns into position (distraction with movement in other areas, operating in darkness) 30 rounds were fired in total and the bunker was reported out of action, though later examination showed extensive damage but no penetration.

There is also examination of bunker busting in 1940 and in 1945 at Konigsberg.

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Post by Art » 26 May 2021, 18:11

Orwell1984 wrote:
26 May 2021, 16:59
On page 33, it does cover operations on the Karelian Isthmus in 1944 when 2 B-4s were used as bunker busters, setting up only 800m away from their target. The unit involved was 4th battery of the 18th Guards Howitzer Brigade under Captain Vedemdenko.
That's a known thing (with a necessary amendment that it was actually a Soviet-built bunker captured by Finns in 1941).
But I believe the topic-starter asked about the attack on the Mannerheim Line in 1940.

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