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Post by Witch-King of Angmar » 09 Jul 2003, 20:52

Lars EP wrote:"We had the choise between two dictators. We chosed the one who spoke Russian."

Soviet officer from penalty-unit.
Our Communistphile/Anarchist friend doesn't share the same opinion in regards to the Germans who fought for the dictator who spoke German. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by witness » 09 Jul 2003, 20:58

Witch-King of Angmar wrote:
Lars EP wrote:"We had the choise between two dictators. We chosed the one who spoke Russian."

Soviet officer from penalty-unit.
Our Communistphile/Anarchist friend doesn't share the same opinion in regards to the Germans who fought for the dictator who spoke German. :lol: :lol: :lol:

~The Witch King of Angmar
Our Naziphile/Fascist friend probably forgets that Germany attacked the USSR first and not the other way around. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post by witness » 09 Jul 2003, 21:06

VeleV wrote:
witness wrote:
VeleV wrote:I have many Russian (or surrounding ex Soviet countries) friends and I guess speak to some of them. Your average Russian did not want this war (unless they were brainwashed since little kids into fighting for it)

Ofcourse you have to defend your land but I was talking about suicide missions! I was not talking about your average soldiers.
Very gregarious person
Before "I have many German friends " Now "I have many Russian friends " .
That's fine of course. But doesn't he self - contradict at times ? :lol:
First
Well that is also hard to believe since the fact that most drafted into the Red Army didn't want to be in the Red Army
and second
Ofcourse you have to defend your land but I was talking about suicide missions! I was not talking about your average soldiers
8O
I have friends from many countires due to my background - i was born in Poland but have Russian as well as German roots soo hehe I always stuck with my own which ment with people all over :)

How is it self contradicting to have MANY GERMAN and MANY RUSSIAN friends? Is this not allowed or something?!

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Oh you missed the point .Nothing is contradictory in having friends of different ethnic backgrounds of course.
Look up at your two susequent quotes and figure it out where was the contradiction.
As for the first quote you make it sound like you never spoke to any Russians - most were drafted because they had to!
I never spoke to any Russian ?
My relatives on the both maternal and paternal sides fought in this war.
My father went to the pilot school voluntarily before his drafted age .
Peolpe were defending their land against invaders.
Do you think that the Poles who fought the Nazis were drafted against their will ?
You would not accomplish much with the army in which as you wrote "most " were drafted against their will.

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Post by VeleV » 09 Jul 2003, 21:34

Do you think that the Poles who fought the Nazis were drafted against their will ?
You would not accomplish much with the army in which as you wrote "most " were drafted against their will.
Indeed I can argue that!
There have been MANY books written on the issue by Poles who fought under the scum of the Red Army and it was either fight or get shot by your alien Russian officer.

The only Poles that fought drafted against the Nazis for Polish interest were in the AK - the AK spat in the face of Russia at any chance they got.

That was the Polish army not a bunch of drunken officers fighting for the Red Plague.

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Post by Lawrence Tandy » 09 Jul 2003, 21:37

The Polish men who escaped to the west gladly returned to fight the Germans and they did an excellent job. Also, when Poland was invaded everyone wanted to fight the Germans and also the Soviets after their backstabbing Poland after Germany attacked. Poles are a proud people and when invaded they never hesitated to fight.

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Post by Landser » 09 Jul 2003, 22:26

Lord Gort wrote:I think Lars hit it on the head with his quote.




regards,

Now this begs the question-how do you think the Iraquies feel about
your countries (and others) occupation?

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Post by VeleV » 09 Jul 2003, 22:37

Lawrence Tandy wrote:The Polish men who escaped to the west gladly returned to fight the Germans and they did an excellent job. Also, when Poland was invaded everyone wanted to fight the Germans and also the Soviets after their backstabbing Poland after Germany attacked. Poles are a proud people and when invaded they never hesitated to fight.
No self respecting Pole wanted to willingly fight on the side of the Russians unless he believed the socialist lie himself which automatically makes him loose all the respect.

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Post by Lawrence Tandy » 09 Jul 2003, 22:56

VeleV wrote:
Lawrence Tandy wrote:The Polish men who escaped to the west gladly returned to fight the Germans and they did an excellent job. Also, when Poland was invaded everyone wanted to fight the Germans and also the Soviets after their backstabbing Poland after Germany attacked. Poles are a proud people and when invaded they never hesitated to fight.
No self respecting Pole wanted to willingly fight on the side of the Russians unless he believed the socialist lie himself which automatically makes him loose all the respect.
I should have been clearer. If you read my post clearly you'll see that I was referring to the beginning of the war. I do agree that no self respecting Pole would enjoy fighting for the Russians, as they were more often than not hated as much as the Nazis. Russia's attack on Poland
in 1939 was shameful, but people tend to forget about it because they became our allies.

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Post by Germanica » 09 Jul 2003, 23:18

If anyone fought and sacrificed for so little in the whole of the war, it was most definately the Free Polish Army Corps.
These men, those who had dreamed of a free and democratic Poland, absent of totalitarian rule, were branded as enemies of their own people, deported to the Gulags of Siberia and in some cases, executed as traitors.

So much for socialist bliss - what a damn hypocrisy! :x

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Post by VeleV » 10 Jul 2003, 00:35

Germanica - I do agree :cry:
but it was a different kind of fight - Poland always strived for independence and always had to deal with people wanting to take it away so it very natural for Poland to fight like that but what 'our' (shame to say because it is not true) government did to our warriors we will never forget - move on yes but never forget - such a shame that Poles still vote for a socialist government - sometimes I don't question the Polish jokes.

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Post by Andy H » 10 Jul 2003, 01:39

I suggest that this thread reverts to it's intial question otherwise I'll lock it.

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Post by Davey Boy » 10 Jul 2003, 03:43

I'm gonna start a new thread about Poles who served in the Red Army... :D

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Post by VeleV » 10 Jul 2003, 05:04

Davey Boy wrote:I'm gonna start a new thread about Poles who served in the Red Army... :D
Well post a link or say what part of the board it is at! :lol:

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Post by Sokol » 11 Jul 2003, 04:30

Velev, you say you have Russian roots and then you sully those roots by calling the entire Red Army a "Red Plague". Do you have *any* idea how offensive this would be to any Russian person?

Here's my version of your anti-Soviet/anti-Russian/anti-Red Army attitude (don't take it seriously, because I don't intend it to be serious):

Hey, call them a Plague, but they didn't fold in three weeks! Hahahaahahahahahahahaahha! Poles suck!!! Hahahahaah! Such weak fighters! Hahahaahahah! The Germans smacked them down with a holy force of justice! Those stupid Poles, they got slaughtered in droves by the superior Germanics!

(See, slander really won't help anyone and does little to further co-operation and understanding)

For your information, Stalin didn't use Communism to envoke patrotism in Russians, he used national heroes such as Kutuzov.

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#30

Post by VeleV » 11 Jul 2003, 05:21

:lol: Damn your the first poster on this board who actually made me smile and laugh!
:D it was cute your little rant there.

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