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NKVD divisions

Post by Karri » 20 Jan 2005 11:53

I found and OOB that lists the NKVD divisions as following:
1st NKVD rifle div
2nd NKVD rifle div
2nd NKVD mot div
3rd NKVD rifle div
4th NKVD rifle div
4th NKVD div
5th NKVD div
5th NKVD rifle div
6th NKVD rifle div
7th NKVD mot div
9th NKVD rifle div
9th NKVD mot div
10th NKVD div
10th NKVD rifle div
15th NKVD div
20th NKVD div
21st NKVD mot div
22nd NKVD mot div
23rd NKVD mot div
What exactly are NKVD divisions? Rifle divisions? Garrison units?

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Post by Qvist » 21 Jan 2005 13:47

They were forces who did not report to the General Staff, but directly to NKVD organs. In principle, they had a function of internal security, but they were also fairly frequently utilised for combat purposes.

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Post by mars » 21 Jan 2005 16:59

When the NKVD divisions were committed into combat, they reported to General Staff, but their main duty was internal security and keep rear front safe, it was NKVD unit's responsibility to fighter those cut-off Germans and nationalist gurrilar, they also took a role as military police.

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Post by Andy H » 21 Jan 2005 18:04

Didn't NKVD Divisions as such disappear after early 1942?

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Post by mars » 21 Jan 2005 21:00

No, Andy, some NKVD divisions were organized to Army and fought at the front as late as 1943 and were considered same as Soviet red army regular troops, but when those NKVD units were performing the Front rear area security duty, they were mostly organized to size of regiment or brigade.

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Post by Karri » 22 Jan 2005 20:06

Heh, a very poor choice of wording from my part.

What I ment was that there are three kind of units listed there: NKVD rifle divisions, NKVD motorised divisions and NKVD divisions. What does the "NKVD division" stand for? Were they infantry, motorised or rear-area units?

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Post by cyberdaemon » 12 Feb 2005 16:02

NKVD divisions were used against partisans and anti-communist resistance.and for terrorizing the people.NKVD also were suppose to arrest and shoot those soldiers who did left theyr post or who wanted to surrender to the enemy.they did shoot theyr own troops if they retreated from front , just like in "enemy at the gates"
as far as i know some of the NKVD divisions were used on front for some time.and NKVD didnt go anywhere , it changed its name to smers.but the leaders and organs remained the same.mainly it was like russian version of SS.those guys did not cave any mercy , in most cases.NKVD and smers were behind many soviet warcrimes.

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Post by VDV » 12 Feb 2005 18:29

AFAIK, there were only NKVD Rifle divisions and NKVD Motorized Rifle divisions. In many cases, NKVD Rifle divisions were broken up into several regiments which could operate independently.
NKVD divisions were used against partisans and anti-communist resistance.and for terrorizing the people.NKVD also were suppose to arrest and shoot those soldiers who did left theyr post or who wanted to surrender to the enemy.they did shoot theyr own troops if they retreated from front , just like in "enemy at the gates"
"EATG" is a hollywood film with few actual historical parallels. Many of the scenes in the film were highly exaggerated for the benefit of the western viewing public.
as far as i know some of the NKVD divisions were used on front for some time.and NKVD didnt go anywhere , it changed its name to smers.but the leaders and organs remained the same.mainly it was like russian version of SS.those guys did not cave any mercy , in most cases.NKVD and smers were behind many soviet warcrimes.
No, NKVD and SMERSh were two separate organizations. SMERSh was a special counter-espionage & intelligence gathering unit. Unlike the SS, neither the NKVD nor SMERSh were organizers of alleged Soviet warcrimes. The latter is largely the work of late-war German propaganda aimed at the civilian populace.

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Post by Harri » 12 Feb 2005 18:55

Weren't NKVD troops also responsible of border guard duties during peace time?

During the Continuation War (1941 - 1944) Finnish long-range (guerrilla) patrol units were almost always chased by the NKVD troops which guarded railways, bridges and villages. In certain sparsely populated areas which were only patrolled Finnish troops faced Soviet border troops regularly in the same duties. Usually these Soviet units were independent regiments or brigades which had own specified sectors.

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Post by cyberdaemon » 14 Feb 2005 09:46

VDV wrote:"EATG" is a hollywood film with few actual historical parallels. Many of the scenes in the film were highly exaggerated for the benefit of the western viewing public.
you mean "enemy at the gates" ?
VDV wrote:[No, NKVD and SMERSh were two separate organizations. SMERSh was a special counter-espionage & intelligence gathering unit. Unlike the SS, neither the NKVD nor SMERSh were organizers of alleged Soviet warcrimes. The latter is largely the work of late-war German propaganda aimed at the civilian populace.
you mean like : organizators were someone else and the SMERSh and NKVD just finished the job ?
well , was there incidents were nkvd made crimes on theyr own where they were not ordered to do so ?
well , red army did alots of crimes without being ordered.partisans too.was the nkvd exeption or
they mostly followed the orders "step by step" ?

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