Transport ships of USSR in 1941-1945 - any info!!

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Post by Dido » 26 Mar 2006 14:23

BIGpanzer wrote:
It was attacked by German bombers at Tuapse Dockyard during small repair 23.03.1942 (German bombing raid against Tuapse port). The ship sank after three direct 500-kg bomb hits during the combat with bombers, 18 crewmembers were killed.
Do you know if the wreck of N. Ostrovskij raised or scrapped after the war?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 26 Mar 2006 16:03

Hello, Dido!
I don't know exactly but I can suppose that mine-layer "N. Ostrovskij" was raised during/after WWII and scrapped as the ship sank not in the open sea but just at dockyard pier ("N. Ostrovskij" was under scheduled repair in Tuapse after several dangerous operations - mining (5000-6000 mines since the beginning of war), transportation of soldiers/ammunition to Odessa and Sevastopol, evacuating of civilians (19.000 men total) and cargos). 23.03.1942 more than 20 German bombers and fighters attacked Tuapse port and three 500-kg bombs heavily damaged the ship (two bombs hit engine compartment, third - messroom), so it couldn't be repaired.

Captain of "N. Ostrovskij" - commander M. Fokin. I found also the fact that "N. Ostrovskij" was attacked unsuccessfully several times by German bombers, 18.11.1941 it was unsuccessfully attacked by 4 Italian torpedo bombers and could avoid 8 torpedos. "N. Ostrovskij" had AA armament (2x76mm + 4x45mm + 6 MGs).

http://tuapse-victory.narod.ru/IMAGES/memo_28.jpg (monument in Tuapse to 18 crewmembers of "N. Ostrovskij", fell in battle with bombers during the German massive bombing raid against Tuapse port)

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Post by Dido » 26 Mar 2006 20:23

Thanks, I guess that 1500 kg of explosives meant that she was beyond repair when she was retrieved by the Soviets.

Do you have any information on the history of the passenger/cargo transport Moldavija? I know that she was built in 1928 and was a sister to the Kotovskyi, but that's about it. I am also missing the final fate of the Kotovskyi which - I think we already wrote- was used as static barracks since 12/41. Any clues?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 26 Mar 2006 22:06

Yes, I have some short info you are interested in.

1. "Moldavija" was a cargo-passenger diesel ship, built in 1928 by Schiffswerft & Maschinenfabrik AG, Hamburg for USSR. The ship was used together with similar "Kotovskij" along Odessa-Kherson passenger route (Black Sea, ChGMP) before WWII.
Specifications: 1652 t, 61.7x10.1x5.6 m; 250 passengers; 2 diesel engines; 8-12.5 knots
During WWII "Moldavija" was used as a hospital transport of Black Sea Navy (ChF). It was heavily damaged by German bombers 14.09.1941 near Tendra bank, ran aground and burnt (passengers and cargos were rescued). The ship was raised 16.03.1946 by Emergency Rescue Service of ChF and scrapped in 1947.

2. "Kotovskij" was also built in 1928 by Schiffswerft & Maschinenfabrik AG, Hamburg for USSR.
Since 23.06.1941 - hospital transport of Black Sea Navy (ChF), was damaged by German bombers. Used as nonself-propelled tender because of diesels wear since 23.12.1941 (submarine tender for submarines of "M"-type till the end of WWII), all medical staff was transferred to hospital transport "Lvov". 11.08.1944 the ship was towed from Ochamchiri to Sukhumi (German submarine attacked convoy, but unsuccessfully). "Kotovskij" was repaired/reequipped with diesels exchange after WWII and was used by Black Sea State Shipping Company (ChGMP) till mid1950s.

http://www.sea.infoflot.ru/photo/1/45.jpg ("Moldavija" before WWII)
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Post by BIGpanzer » 26 Mar 2006 22:29

By the way I've posted this month the info about all 20 universal ships of "Elpidifor"-type, were built by Nikolaev Shipyard.

I found the additional info about "Elpidifor N 423" (laid down as gun-boat "Krasnaja Moldavija" in 1919), in 1929-1941 - manganese ore-carrier "Volgo-Don". The ship was exploded 08.10.1941 at Mariupol by its crew to prevent capture, but Germans could raised it, repaired and reequipped into military transport.
25.11.1943 "Wolga-Don" (Germans didn't rename the ship), escorted by Romanian gun-boats "Stihi" and "Dumitrescu", mine-sweeper R-205, anti-submarine boats UJ-2301 and UJ-2309, made the navigation to Sevastopol. Soviet submarine L-6 torpedoed "Wolga-Don" near Tarkhankut cape, its crew was rescued but the ship didn't sink immediately despite the destruction of stern. It was sank later during towing by "Dumitrescu" because of stormy weather, all cargos (air bombs, motorcycles, trucks) were lost. The ship is a popular object for divers at the moment (depth~30 m, excellent condition of the ship and transported vehicles).
http://www.asinfo.com.ua/crimea/pic/wreck_2.jpg

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Post by Dido » 26 Mar 2006 23:04

Thanks for the excellent information!

I am wondering whether some of the ww2 Soviet transports are still surviving. We know that LEPSE is laid up in Murmansk and she will probably remain there for long. However there are some conflicting reports for a few others:

LVOV was retired in 1964 and while some sources say that she was scrapped, there is also a report that she is now a base ship for a yacht club.

Similarly, SMOLNIJI was either scrapped in 1980 or she is still a hotel in the Russian Far East.

As for KRYIM she became a floating hotel in 1970 with no further information available - at least to me.

Do you have a credible source that could verify their final fate?

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Surviving Ships?

Post by mjbollinger » 28 Mar 2006 13:31

In addition, there is EKVATOR (1939) which was part of German reparations. It wasn't really used in merchant sevice. It is now preserved as the research ship VITYAZ in St. Petersburg.

Here is a list of other Soviet merchant ships from the WWII era that are unaccounted for. Please understand that I have no evidence that any survive to this date, but the possibility exists that they are derelict somewhere. Most are in the Far East. I know for a fact that ODESSA (1943) was scrapped only in 2004 and KULU (1917) was afloat until 1995.

STALINGRAD (1943) moored in Vostochny and used in a non-sea going capacity as of 1970
VILNIUS (1939) used as floating storage as late as 1983
SAKHALIN (1931) used as floating storage as late as 1973
ANATOLI SEROV (1926) employed as a training center in Petropavlovsk as late as 2000
KRETA (1923) a repair facility in 1970s
KRASNOYARSK (1929) employed as floating storage in the 1970s
PETR CHAIKHOVSKY (1919) used as a North Korean fishing support ship in the 1960s
POLINA OSIPENKO (1964) as warehouse in Vladivostok in the 1960s
SERGO (1927) floating storage in the 1960s
CHIATURI (1945) floating storage
PEREKOP (1918) floating workshop in the 1960s
DOLINSK (1902) training facility
BEREZINA (1918) reported derelict as late as 1999 on the Danube
SAMARKAND (1920) operated as a hotel in the 1950s

Again, I have no confirmation that any of these still exist. Still, I'd love to hire someone to go around the ports of the Far East photographing any old or derelect ships (or remains). My guess is that we'd be surprised as to what is still there.

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Re: Surviving Ships?

Post by Dido » 28 Mar 2006 16:04

Very interesting information!
mjbollinger wrote:KULU (1917) was afloat until 1995.
I have seen the pics of Odessa at Vladivostok. Do you have any contemporary pics of the Kulu?

mjbollinger wrote:STALINGRAD (1943) moored in Vostochny and used in a non-sea going capacity as of 1970
Check this site for a picture of her
http://www.armed-guard.com/cbdm.html

It is also writes that she survived past 1978: SS Thomas F Flaherty, completed as Stalingrad. Renamed to Volgograd in 1962. Pictured in Japan in 1975. Delivered to Vostochnyy Port Authority (USSR) for non-seagoing purposes in June 1978

mjbollinger wrote:ANATOLI SEROV (1926) employed as a training center in Petropavlovsk as late as 2000
BIGpanzer wrote for her in a message in page 3 that "In April 1949 the ship was exploded on old WWII mine and sank."
Is it a different ship or she was raised and repaired?

mjbollinger wrote:POLINA OSIPENKO (1964) as warehouse in Vladivostok in the 1960s
Is this a different POLINA OSIPENKO than the one that BIGpanzer described in this previous message?:
BIGpanzer wrote:"Polina Osipenko” – transport for ore and coal, rebuilt timber ship. The ship was heavily damaged on 13 August 1941 by German bombers (Black Sea) during the navigation from Nikolaev with cargo and 1000 civilians on board. The burning ship could reach the shore and sank. Almost all men were rescued (9 were lost). In 1968 the ship was raised by divers and scraped.
mjbollinger wrote:CHIATURI (1945) floating storage
What type of ship was she?
check for some pics and info at:
http://www.papernet.hu/?l=sdetails&i=1093&lang=hun

mjbollinger wrote:DOLINSK (1902) training facility
According to some sources the former OTSEGO, PRINZ EITEL FRIEDRICH was not renamed DOLINSK in 1947 but URAL in 1945. She is mentioned as Scrapped at Vladivostock in 1955 or Deleted from Lloyd’s Register in 1962.

mjbollinger wrote:BEREZINA (1918) reported derelict as late as 1999 on the Danube
Check this out for some contemporary pics!
http://www.teesships.freeuk.com/1berezina.htm
http://www.teesships.freeuk.com/1eforie.htm

mjbollinger wrote:VILNIUS (1939) used as floating storage as late as 1983
KRETA (1923) a repair facility in 1970s
PETR CHAIKHOVSKY (1919) used as a North Korean fishing support ship in the 1960s
SAMARKAND (1920) operated as a hotel in the 1950s
I have'nt heard of those ones before. Is it possible to expand a little bit on their story?


To add to the list of Soviet merchant ships from the WWII era that are unaccounted for:

There was also the 1929-built FELIKS DZERZHINSKY which was renamed URAL in 1939 and employed as TS to the late-1950's.
KOTOVSKIJI sailed in the mid-50's

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Post by mjbollinger » 28 Mar 2006 20:23

Hi,

Neat pictures of BEREZINA!

Some info to clarify:
URAL (ex Felix Dzerzhinsky) was broken up in the late 1950s.
KOTOVSKII was withdrawn from service in 1965.
OTSEGO became URAL in 1944 and was renamed DOLINSK in 1952
CHIATURI was a 2,396 dry cargo ship built by Ganz Hajógyár in Hungary in 1947
This POLINA OSIPENKO was completed as DELROSA in 1920; Lend-Lease transfer to USSR in 1942
This ANATOLI SEROV was completed as JOHN HOLT in 1926 and purchased by USSR in 1939 for Krabomorzverotrest

I have no contemporary photos of KULU. KULU was lost in a storm in the Sea of Japan while being towed for scrapping.

There are rumors that BALKHASH was still afloat as of the 1990s in Vladivostok.


As for the new ships, here is basic chronology:

VILNIUS
1939 Completed as ATLANTA (Rederi A/B Atlanta)
1945 ATLANTA (USSR) reparations from Finland 01.03.45
1946 VILNIUS (BGMP)
1964 ATLANTA (BMP)
1973 Reported as floating storage

KRETA
1923 Completed as KRETA (Bremer Dampfer Linie "Atlas" GmbH) 09.23
1926 KRETA (Hamburg-Amerika Linie)
1939 KRETA (Bock, Godeffroy & Co.)
1940 Torpedoed 09.04.40 by HMS TRIDENT; damaged but survived
1940 Recovered 05.40 and repaired
1940 KRETA (Kriegsmarine) as transport 15.08.40
1945 Taken in prize by UK in Flensburg 05.45
1946 YALTA (USSR) reparations from Germany 03.46
1958 YALTA (DGMP)
1965 YALTA (DMP)
1968 Converted to repair facility

PETR CHAIKHOVSKY
1919 Completed as WEST HENSHAW (USSB) 07.19
1928 GOLDEN CROSS (Oceanic & Oriental Navigation Co., Inc.)
1938 KOHALA (Matson Navigation Co.)
1942 KOHALA (WSA) 15.03.42
1945 PETR CHAIKHOVSKII (DGMP) under Lend Lease 02.01.45
195- Converted to passenger use after WWII
1964 Withdrawn from service
1966 Transferred to North Korea for fish factory ship

SAMARKAND (1920) operated as a hotel in the 1950s
1920 Completed as EASTERN IMPORTER (USSB) 04.20
1922 ALBERT JEFFRESS (Garland Steamship Corp.)
1927 CALMAR (Calmar Steamship Corp.)
1942 CALMAR (WSA) 11.02.42
1945 SAMARKAND (DGMP) under Lend Lease 14.03.45
1945 Participated in Khomlsk landing operation 09.08.45
1948 Converted to hostel for ship repair workers

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Re: Updates

Post by Dido » 28 Mar 2006 22:10

Hi Marty,
some remarks and further questions:
mjbollinger wrote:This ANATOLI SEROV was completed as JOHN HOLT in 1926 and purchased by USSR in 1939 for Krabomorzverotrest
Did she became a crab cannery?
mjbollinger wrote:KULU was lost in a storm in the Sea of Japan while being towed for scrapping.
Do you know the date she foundered?
mjbollinger wrote:There are rumors that BALKHASH was still afloat as of the 1990s in Vladivostok.
If you refer to BALHASH (БАЛХАШ, ex-MANOA, 1913) there is a report that she was deleted from Lloyds in 1970. Of course that can not be translated in Russian :P that she was scrapped..
Another elderly vessel reported at Vladivostok in 1995 was the KRILJON (ex-PREUSSEN, 1909)

As you said, a trip to the Russian Far East would reveal wonders!

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Post by mjbollinger » 28 Mar 2006 22:19

Hello Dido,

Yes, I believe ANATOLI SEROV was a crab cannery. Here is what I have on this ship:

1926 Completed as JOHN HOLT (J. Holt & Co.)
1937 GARTHORPE (J. Holt & Co.)
1939 ANATOLI SEROV (NKRP)
1939 Major overhaul in Roste until 25.06.40
1940 Transition on NSR to Kamchatka 08.40-10.40
1940 ANATOLI SEROV (Krabomorzverotrest) 11.40
1942 Locked in ice three months; damage repaired 06.42
1972 Withdrawn from service
2000 Converted to training center for Glavsostava, Petropavlovsk

I believe KULU foundered in a typhoon on 08.11.95. I have not found independent verification of this date. I do know that KULU was sent for scrapping because it caught fire. It had been used as a floating workshop before then.

Yes, the BALKHASH to which I refer is ex-MANOA. In general, I do not find LRS very authoritative on the issue of Soviet merchant ships after WWII. A number of ships were delisted in 1968 and again in the early 1970s not because there was information they were scrapped but just because they had not been seen in international service. And of course delisting does not mean breaking up. I know someone who used to live in Vladivostok (he served aboard ODESSA when it was a workship -- the photos on the web are his) and he would take his kayak in the harbor. That is where he saw BALKHASH.

My information is that KRILON (or KRIL'ON or KRILJON) was broken up in 1980 in Vostochniy. Are you sure of the information that it was still in Vladivostok in 1995?

If you ever want to go exploring for old ships in Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk, Vanino, etc., let me know. I'll help fund the trip.

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Post by Dido » 28 Mar 2006 22:49

see a picture of EASTERN IMPORTER at: http://homepage3.nifty.com/jpnships/tai ... sen_01.htm

also info and pics on ATLANTA/VILNIUS plus on other Finnish reparations at: http://www.marconwest.fi/maritime/FMI03 ... chelde.pdf

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Post by Dido » 28 Mar 2006 23:03

mjbollinger wrote: My information is that KRILON (or KRIL'ON or KRILJON) was broken up in 1980 in Vostochniy. Are you sure of the information that it was still in Vladivostok in 1995?
It comes from a couple of sites, for example http://hem.passagen.se/sykora/preussen.htm
mjbollinger wrote:If you ever want to go exploring for old ships in Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk, Vanino, etc., let me know. I'll help fund the trip.
Thanks Marty, that would be the trip of a lifetime, especially if one will take the trans-siberian train from Moscow. I was told that it takes about a week to reach Vladivostok 8O

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Post by mjbollinger » 29 Mar 2006 01:54

Thanks. I've rechecked my sources (Russian maritime journal from 2005) and it says that KRILON was handed over to the breakers. It does not actually say she was scrapped. So it is possible the ship was afloat in 1995.

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Chernishevsky - Alma Ata

Post by Dido » 31 Mar 2006 12:37

In 1945 the vessels Chernishevsky and Alma Ata were refitted for use in the Soviet fishing industry.

Chernishevsky was a Murmansk log transporter which was re-equipped and repaired in San Francisco.

Could you give some information on their background and further history?

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