Transport ships of USSR in 1941-1945 - any info!!

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Post by BIGpanzer » 05 Apr 2006 12:18

Dear Marty!
As for postWWII fate of Soviet-built merchant ships.
Do you what happened with:
a) "Smolny" (cargo-passenger ship of "Andrey Zhdanov"-type, so called London refrigerators) - it was the hostel for workers at Vanino port in the end of 1970s.
b) Caspian tankers of "Lenin"-type - some of them (11 were built) served as floating storages/bin storages in the end of 1970s.

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Post by mjbollinger » 05 Apr 2006 12:28

BP,

Here is my chronology on SMOLNII

1927 Launched as SMOLNII 10.27
1929 Completed as SMOLNII (STF-BGK) 10.29
1934 SMOLNII (BGMP) 15.03.34
1939 SMOLNII (DGMP) in middle of 1939
1945 Carried Soviet delegation to UN in April 1945
1945 ALEKSANDR ZHDANOV (TF) 09.08.45
1945 SMOLNII (DGMP) 03.09.45
1958 Re-engined with diesels
1965 SMOLNII (DMP)
1975 Removed from DMP roster
1980 Broken up in USSR

There were actually 12 tankers in the Lenin class, including GENERAL AZIASLANOV launched in 1935 and not completed until 1950. Unfortunately I do not know much of the fates of these ships. My research is less far along on the Caspian fleet. I've yet to find much material in Russian or any other language on this fleet. If you have more information, I would be very glad to see it.

LENIN
1927 Laid down as LENIN 07.27
1928 Launched as LENIN
1930 Completed as LENIN (Kaspar)
1934 LENIN (Kasptanker)
1974 Withdrawn from service and hulked

PROFINTERN / GUDERMES
1927 Laid down as PROFINTERN 07.37
1928 Launched as PROFINTERN
1930 Completed as PROFINTERN (Kaspar)
1934 PROFINTERN (Kasptanker)
1943 PROFINTERN (KGMP)
1958 GUDERMES (KGMP)
1974 Withdrawn from service

TSIURUPA
1927 Laid down as TSIURUPA 07.27
1928 Launched as TSIURUPA
1931 Completed as TSIURUPA (Kaspar)
1934 TSIURUPA (Kasptanker)
1973 Withdrawn from service

KAGANOVICH
1928 Laid down as KAGANOVICH
1929 Launched as KAGANOVICH
1933 Completed as KAGANOVICH (Kasptanker)
1953 KAGANOVICH (KGMP)
1958 BOLSHEVIK RAKHULA AKHUNDOV (KGMP)
…. Deleted SRS prior to 1970"

MOLOTOV / GEROI MEKHTI
1930 Launched as MOLOTOV
1934 Completed as MOLOTOV (Kasptanker)
1957 GEROI MEKHTI (Kaspar)
1970 Deleted prior to 1970 in Soviet register

AGA-MALI-OGLY
1928 Launched as AGA-MALI-OGLY
1931 Completed as AGA-MALI-OGLY (Kaspar)
1934 AGA-MALI-OGLY (Kasptanker)
1942 Bombed and damaged late 1942 off Astrakhan
1971 Converted to floating storage

KOMINTERN / DROGOBYCH
1932 Launched as KOMINTERN
1934 Completed as KOMINTERN (Kaspar)
1938 KOMINTERN (Kasptanker)
1941 Participated in Iranian landing 25.08.41
1942 Bombed and sunk off Astrakhan 30.10.42
1943 KOMINTERN (Kasptanker) salvaged
1953 DROGOBYCH (Kaspar)

VKP[B]
1928 Laid down as VKP[B]
1929 Launched as VKP[B]
1934 Completed as VKP[B] (Kaspar)
1938 VKP[B] (Kasptanker)
1941 Transported evacuees Baku to Krasnovodsk late 41

STALIN / BOLSHEVIK R. AKHUNDOV / SUMGAIT
1930 Launched as STALIN
1934 Completed as STALIN (Kaspar)
1938 STALIN (Kasptanker)
195- Renamed BOLSHEVIK R. AKHUNDOV (Kaspar)
196- SUMGAIT (Kaspar)
1970 Deleted Soviet register

ANDREI ZHDANOV
1930 Launched as ANDREI ZHDANOV
1934 Completed as ANDREI ZHDANOV (Kaspar)
1938 ANDREI ZHDANOV (Kasptanker)
1941 Transported evacuees Baku to Krasnovodsk late 41

BERIYA / AZERBAIDZHAN
1935 Completed as BERIYA (Kaspar)
1938 BERIYA (Kasptanker)
1953 AZERBAIDZHAN (Kaspar)
1955 Altered for sea-going service (date approx)
1957 AZERBAIDZHAN (DGMP)
1973 Broken up in USSR

GENERAL AZIASLANOV
1935 Launched uncompleted as <unnamed>
1950 Completed as GENERAL AZIASLANOV (Kasptanker)

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Post by Dido » 05 Apr 2006 14:20

Another vessel completed for the US Shipping Board was the 1918-built Lynchburg. She was neither lend-leased or sold to USSR in the 1929/30 deal but found herself under the Latvian flag and the name Skrunda.
She waw bombed and sunk in the Gulf of Finland in August 30, 1941.
It is reported that she was salvaged by the Soviets in 1941, but not reported since. Do you have anything further on her story?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 05 Apr 2006 16:02

Hi, Dido!
Cargo steamer "Skrunda"/military transport VT-529 (2414 brt; Latvian State Shipping Company, LGMP) resqued passengers (1206 wounded soldiers) from exploded on mine "Luga" (military transport VT-518, convoy No. 3 from Tallinn to Kronshtadt, 29.08.1941). Next day "Skrunda" was heavily bombed by German bombers in the Gulf of Finland near Gogland island. Germans made near 36 bomber attacks against "Skrunda" (144 bombs were dropped) 29-30.08.1941, but the ship continued navigation. Only direct hit of heavy bomb destroyed the engine of "Skrunda". All crewmembers and passengers (more than 2000 men, including previous passengers from "Luga") were resqued by Soviet patrol boats, mine-sweapers and tugs. After that the ship was sunk as it was impossible to tow it further.
Germans could raised the ship and repaired it. "Skrunda" was sunk for the second time 03.11.1944 by Soviet submarine ShCh-307.
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Post by BIGpanzer » 05 Apr 2006 16:24

Marty!
Thanks for the info about Caspian tankers (as me seems you've already posted this info somewhere above here :wink: ). Unfortunately I don't have any info about their present condition (if some of these tankers survive). As for my info about their history - I've posted it here 02.07.2005 (with the photo) and I have only a few more info at the moment.

Tankers of "Lenin"-type (the first Soviet-built large sea tankers, 12600 t) transported fuel and oil to Stalingrad front during WWII and their role was very important. German bombers always tried to sink those tankers so they were armed with AA guns for self-defense.

Also those tankers participated in evacuation of civilians from Baku to Krasnovodsk ("Molotov", for example, which was damaged by German bombers but survived).
Tanker "VKP(b)" also participated in such evacuation operations (it was finished in 1932 not in 1934).

"Agamali-Ogly" (I believe that such spelling is the most correct) was given to Novorossisk Shipping Company (Black Sea) after WWII (I found a mention that old tanker served on Black Sea in 1960s).

"Komintern" was finished in 1933, not in 1934. Tanker together with 30 other ships participated in the landing operation against Iran in 1941 (transported ammunition and soldiers). The tanker was attacked by 3 German bombers 30.10.1942 at Astrakhan port. During manoeuvring the tanker ran aground and was hit by bomb, the ship was burnt completely but all crewmembers (except 3 who were lost) could reach the shore on life-boat. The ship was repaired in 1943, scrapped in 1960.

I've read that tanker "Stalin" participated in dangerous operation of oil transportation from Batumi to Tuapse and returned back (Black Sea) 24-27.05.1943. 9 warships and 44 airplanes escorted the single tanker as Germans planned to sink it and prevent the delivery of fuel to Soviet army. The operation was successful despite the two German attacks (8 German bombers from 36 attacked were knocked down). Also tanker "Stalin" made the similar navigation 05.-08.05.1943 (escort - 6 mine-sweepers and patrol boats + 8 flying boats), but Germans could hit the ship by two bombs (both didn't explode!). 01.11.1943 German submarine unsuccessfully attacked the tanker, but 18.11.1943 the ship was torpedoed by U-18, 2 torpedoes hit the ship (tanker survived and could reach Tuapse).
As that took place on Black Sea not on Caspian Sea me seems that was, probably, another tanker under the same name, also it could transport 14000 t of oil during the single navigation to Tuapse, so it was larger than tankers of "Lenin"-type.
Am I right?

It seems quite strange that two tankers of the same type had the name "Bolshevik Akhundov" in 1950s - no mistake?

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Post by Dido » 05 Apr 2006 17:55

Thanks BIGpanzer for the info on the Skrunda.

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Agamali-Ogly

Post by mjbollinger » 05 Apr 2006 18:31

BP,

I always thought the name would have been spelled as you indicate, but the spelling I offer is how the ships name appears -- including dashes -- in the 1938 (maritime) Register of the Soviet Union. So I have adopted that spelling.
I'm not surprised two ships shared the same name for different periods in the 1950s. Stranger things have happened in the naming of Soviet ships.

My favorite is when the Soviets named a ship YAGODA after the head of the NKVD. He was purged so the ship's name had to be changed to DALSTROI. Then the same group named DOMINIA the NIKOLAI YEZHOV, after the replacement for Yagoda. YEZHOV was then purged and shot. Finally they named the ship after FELIX DZERZHINSKY who had been dead for a decade. Probably a safe bet.

Here is what I have on SKRUNDA

1917 Ordered as WAR PLATOON (Shipping Controller)
1917 Requisitioned by USSB
1918 Completed as LYNCHBURG (USSB) 11.18
1920 FUSILIER (Lloyd Royal Belge S.A.)
1926 ERSTHANDEL (Armement Gylsen S.A)
1928 SKRUNDA (Seeborg Bros)
1940 Under operational control of USSR 22.06.40
1940 Reflagged under USSR 05.08.40
1940 SKRUNDA (LGMP) nationalized by USSR 29.10.40
1940 VT-529 (BF) mobilized as transport ship
1941 Bombed 59.59N-26.36E off Gogland 30.08.41 and sunk
1944 Reported raised and Broken up by USSR 11.44

There is another ex USSB ship in a similar position, this time from Estonia.

MEERO
1917 Ordered as WAR OAK (Shipping Controller)
1917 Launched as WAR OAK 15.12.17
1917 Requsitioned by USSB
1918 Completed as LAKE OTISCO (USSB)
1918 USS LAKE OTISCO SP-4410D (NOTS-USSB) 05.10.18
1921 LAKE OTISCO( International Coal Transport Corp) 04.04.19
1923 FLOREAL (Cie Nationale de Nav.)
1929 NIVAA (Hetland A/S)
1933 USKO (Hoyrylaiva O/Y Nurimen)
1939 MEERO (Laevauhing "Meero", Estonia)
1940 Under operational control of USSR 22.06.40
1940 MEERO (EGMP) nationalized by USSR 29.10.40
1941 Evacuated troops from Koivisto 01.09.41
1941 Torpedoed / sunk by Finnish MTB SYÖKSY off Koivisto 02.09.41



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Post by BIGpanzer » 05 Apr 2006 18:41

Dear Marty!
What about the large tanker "I. Stalin", operated on Black Sea during WWII. What type is it?
Marty wrote about "Skrunda"
1944 Reported raised and Broken up by USSR 11.44
In my sources - raised and repaired by Germans. "Skrunda" was sunk for the second time 03.11.1944 by Soviet submarine ShCh-307. This seems more correct to some degree, but some sources mention that this fact needs in additional check........
Marty wrote about "Meero"
1940 MEERO (EGMP) nationalized by USSR 29.10.40
1941 Evacuated troops from Koivisto 01.09.41
1941 Torpedoed / sunk by Finnish MTB SYÖKSY off Koivisto 02.09.41
As for "Meero" from EGMP (Estonian State Shipping Company) - cargo ship of 1866 brt. It was sunk 02.09.1941 (eastern part of the Gulf of Finland, 60.15N-28.47E) by Finnish torpedo boat "Syoeksy" during the navigation from Leningrad to Koivisto (not back!). So the ship couldn't reach Koivisto and took Soviet soldiers on board for evacuation, it was empty. All crewmembers were saved by Soviet patrol boats soon.

Some additional info about Soviet-built cargo-passenger refrigerator ship "Smolny". That diesel ship was used along the merchant routes to France by Baltic State Shipping Company in 1930s (when the Spanish Civil war began the ship transported Soviet and Spanish (trained in USSR) volunteers - I found the mention about one such navigation at least). During WWII the ship was used by Far-East State Shipping Company (DGMP) along the route Khabarovsk-Vladivostok-Vanino-Nagaevo (sometimes transported military men in holds), several times it was stopped by Japanese patrol boats. In spring 1945 - "Smolny" opened the first peace-time navigation Vladivostok- San Francisco (transported Soviet diplomats to the 1st conference of UN, it was equipped before with the powerful radiostation for the direct connection with Moscow). During Soviet-Japanese war in August 1945 - transported HQ of 16th army to Maoka 22.08.1945.
After WWII - modernized ship was used along international routes in Black Sea and North Sea, later transferred again to Far-Eastern regular navigations (Vladivostok-Shanghai, Petropavlovsk-Vladivostok, Magadan-Vanino routes till the end of 1960s). The ship was removed from active service in the beginning of 1970s.

Marty, could you please identify that Soviet military transport of "Liberty"-type (Kuril landing operation, August 1945) - http://www.sakhalin.ru/Region/WORLDWAR2 ... Desant.jpg

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IOSIF STALIN

Post by mjbollinger » 06 Apr 2006 00:29

BP,

I think your STALIN is the following ship:

Iosif Stalin (Иосиф Сталин)
WWII Registration: UOXG
Builder: States Shipyard ""Andre Marti"" #198
Location: Nikolaev
Delivered in 1932 / 7745 GRT
Type: (T) Soyuz
Chronology:
1932 Completed as URAL 03.32 (STF-ChGK)
1934 IOSIF STALIN (Sovtanker)
1941 IOSIF STALIN (ChABU) 01.07.41
1943 Damaged by U.18 18.11.43
1944 IOSIF STALIN (Sovtanker)
1953 IOSIF STALIN (ChGMP)
1962 NIKOLAEV (ChGMP)
1964 NIKOLAEV (Novorossiysk SSS Co.)
1971 TOYO MARU (for delivery to scrap yard)
1971 Broken up at Kaoshiung; arrived 05.12.71


As for the ship, the only Liberty-class that I have participating in the Kuriles invastion was GENERAL PANFILOV:

General Panfilov (Генерал Панфилов)
WWII Registration: UUOM
Builder: Permanente Richmond 2
Location: Richmond (CA)
Delivered in 1944 / 7176 GRT
Type: (D) EC2-S-C1
Chronology:
1944 Launched as GEORGE E. GOODFELLOW
1944 Completed as GENERAL PANFILOV (DGMP) under Lend Lease 30.06.44
1945 Participated in Kuriles landing 08.45
1958 Hull broke during gale in Pacific; made port
1976 Handed over to Glavvtorchermet for scrapping 28.09.76
1976 Broken up Vladivostok

Corrections always welcome!

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Post by Dido » 06 Apr 2006 11:59

BIGpanzer wrote:
Marty wrote about "Skrunda"
1944 Reported raised and Broken up by USSR 11.44
In my sources - raised and repaired by Germans. "Skrunda" was sunk for the second time 03.11.1944 by Soviet submarine ShCh-307. This seems more correct to some degree, but some sources mention that this fact needs in additional check........
I'll agree with BIGpanzer, I beleive 11/44 was too soon for salvage activities.

Marty could you share some information on the history of the:

SERGO (1927)
PEREKOP (1918)

Thanks in advance!

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SERGO and PEREKOP

Post by mjbollinger » 06 Apr 2006 13:42

Dido:

Sergo (Серго)
WWII Registration: UOVQ
Builder: States Shipyard ""Andre Marti"" #198
Location: Nikolaev
Delivered in 1930 / 7596 GRT
Type: (T) Soyuz
Chronology:
1927 Laid down as SOYUZ GORNORABOCHIKH SSSR 15.07.27
1930 Completed as SOYUZ GORNORABOCHIKH SSSR (STF-ChGK) 11.30
1934 SERGO (Sovtanker)
1941 SERGO (ChABU) 01.07.41
1944 SERGO (Sovtanker)
1956 SERGO (DGMP)
1961 Converted to floating oil storage'



Perekop (II) (Перекоп)
WWII Registration: URBL
Builder: American International Shipbuilding Corp.
Location: Hog Island (PA)
Delivered in 1919 / 5172 GRT
Type: (D) USSB 1022"
Chronology:
1918 Ordered as CLEARFIELD (USSB)
1919 Completed as MAGMERIC (USSB) 10.19
1925 MAGMERIC (Carolina Shipping Co.)
1925 MAGMERIC (USSB)
1928 MAGMERIC ( South Atlantic SS. Co.)
1937 AMERICAN ROBIN (American Foreign SS Co.)
1942 AMERICAN ROBIN (WSA) 07.03.42
1945 PEREKOP (DGMP) under Lend Lease on 13.03.45
1946 PEREKOP (ChGMP) 02.01.46
1956 Transformed into floating workshop


May I ask, Dido, what is driving your interest in this topic? Just curious. In my case I'm writing a book on the history of the Soviet merchant fleet from 1917 to 1950, with a focus on the WWII era.

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Post by Dido » 06 Apr 2006 14:23

Thanks for asking Marty. Well, I've been researching shipping history for some time, and the soviet era fascinates me. I have compiled over the years information on ships that sailed for USSR or other communist countries. Their ships usually had the most colourful careers, spanning for several decades. Of course I have several questions especially on their fate which is usually not clear, hence I ask you guys.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 06 Apr 2006 19:46

As for me - I am just interesting in Soviet technique of WWII period at the moment and don't like to write any books about it (it's not mine business) :)
By the way don't forget to take me to the planned expedition to Russian Far-East. :) I know Russian language quite well and even have an experience of north sea expeditions. :) Probably, I will go this summer to one sea scientific expedition (I was invited at least), including the navigation to the Murmansk port, where I can make a photos of Russian old ships as I hope. :)

As for the Soviet ship "Perekop" - I know also that another Soviet transport steamer "Perekop" (2493 brt) from Far-Eastern State Shipping Company (DGMP) was sunk by 19 Japanese bombers 18.12.1941 4°50'N,106°30'E during the navigation to Indonesia in South Chinese Sea (merchant route Vladivostok-Surabaya, Java). 8 crewmembers were killed, survived (32 men including 8 heavily wounded) could reach small Dutch island Big Natuna near Borneo on life-boats and float-boats (Japanese pilots also fired on people in the water and life-boats). Soviet sailors from "Perekop" lived more than one year on that small Borneo-group island communicating with native tribes, Japanese captured the island during the war and arrested Soviet crewmembers also. Only 25.11.1943 survived crewmembers could reach Vladivostok via Singapur, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Harbin.
What type was that "Perekop"?

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Post by BIGpanzer » 06 Apr 2006 23:03

Very short info about Soviet Lend-Lease universal cargo ships of "Liberty"-type.

USSR received first ships (as Lend-Lease and purchases) in January 1943. They were equipped with Soviet crews and with military cargos (tanks, ammunition, food, etc.) moved to Vladivostok, Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Severodvinsk. Also they transported civil cargos during WWII, ships from DGMP made navigations to Australia, New Zealand, India, Indonesia. They transported marines during Soviet-Japanese war in 1945 ("General Panfilov", for example, transported marines during Kuril landing operation 17.08.1945 and just before that came to Alaska for training Soviet crews of Lend-Lease landing ships and taking 15 such ships).

Two Shipping Companies used such ships in 1945 - MGMP (Murmansk) and DGMP (Far-East). After WWII many of them were given to BMP (Baltic Sea), AMP (Azov Sea), ChMP (Black Sea). In 1967 DVMP had 23, ChMP had 13, BMP had 7, AMP had 2 and MMP had 1 ship of such type (USA used 300 "Liberties" the same year). The most active use of "Liberties" after WWII was made by DVMP (coasting navigations, navigations to Australia, Asian countries). "Liberties" from ChMP made Mediterranean navigations, navigations to India. BMP used "Liberties" along routes to North Europe and Great Britain. So those old but still good ships were used even in 1960s - the period when USSR built a huge amount of modern sea ships of all possible types (2-3 ships per week, 1.000.000 tones of tonnage every year). "General Panfilov" was heavily damaged by strong storm in Pacific 01.1958 (transported corn from Canada), could reach port of destination but was removed from service after that accident.

AFAIK the last two ("Tbilisi" and "Alexander Suvorov") were removed from active service only in the beginning of 1980s (AMP, Azov Shipping Company).
"Tbilisi" was torpedoed by German submarine during the navigation Murmansk-Liinahamari 30.12.1944. Nose part of the ship sank and 14 men were lost. Stern part remained afloat and ran aground during the stormy weather with survived crewmembers. After WWII the nose part from another "Liberty" was attached to the stern part of "Tbilisi" by Arkhangelsk dockyard "Krasnaya Kuznitsa", so the ship was completely repaired. His captain after WWII was famous A. Kacharava (ex-captain of ice-breaking ship "A. Sibiryakov", who participated in heroic combat with German battleship "Admiral Scheer"). As for captains of "Liberty"-type ships during WWII - interesting, that the captain of "Jean Jores" was woman A. Shchetinina.

"Liberties" played a big role in postWWII Soviet merchant navy as USSR lost a lot of civil ships during WWII. All of "Liberties" were reequipped by Soviet shipyards (new Soviet navigation support equipment including radars in all ships, even air conditioners were installed in "Beshtau" and "Sayany"). Tween decks of "Bryansk", "Vitebsk", "Kamenets-Podolskij" were reequipped for passenger transportation (up to 568 men).

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Perekop and Lend Lease

Post by mjbollinger » 06 Apr 2006 23:34

Data on Perekop (Перекоп)

WWII Registration: UPLX
Builder: Forth Shipbuilding & Engineering Co. (1921) Ltd.
Location: Alloa
Delivered in 1922 / 2493 GRT
Type: (D) -- no specific type known


I didn't know that Kapitan A. Kacharava survived the battle with Admiral Scheer. That is a good story. I've always thought that story was one of the braver episodes of the war.

THere were 117 Lend Lease ships lent to the USSR during the war, all to DGMP. There were two ships gifted to MGMP, 2 ships salvaged by MGMP and two Empire ships lent to MGMP by the UK.

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