First thanks for your answer to "Lozovskii". Well, it was my mistakemjbollinger wrote:
There were several other cases of recaptures as well.

I hope you are willing to help me again, for you know of other cases.
Kind regards
Klaus Günther
First thanks for your answer to "Lozovskii". Well, it was my mistakemjbollinger wrote:
There were several other cases of recaptures as well.
I concur with you, Klaus.kgvm wrote:
Well, didn't know that the second "Valery Chkalov" broke in two, too.
But if you look at the picture ( http://ntic.msun.ru/ntic/exhibition/fes ... f141_1.jpg ) you see the ship is armed. I assume that in 1951 Sovet merchant vessels didn't carry weapons. Furthermore the picture shows the rearpart of the ship, which was lost in the incident of 1951. Therefore even with the new information I'm convinced the picture shows the ship broken in two in 1943!
"Irmgard", of course, I just misprinted. Do you have the photo of Pacific "Luga" [ex-USA "De Soto"]?kgvm wrote:
Well, I have a photo of "Irmgard", but only in a book, therefore I cannot post it for copyright reasons
But two of the sister ships of the Baltic "Luga" served with FESCO, too: "Svir" and "Volkhov" and they have pictures of them. You can see clearly the lowered deckpart in the foreship (in German called "Versaufloch", which you can translate with "drown hole")
Thank you very much for the info! I also read somewhere that ship "Maxim Gorky" was also captured by Spanish nationalists. According to fragments from memoires of crewmembers from captured Soviet ships I could find - the conditions in Spanish prisons were very bad and investigating officers used refined tortures against Soviet civil sailors [some men were in prison near 3 years] and Spanish republican soldiers quite often. I also read that 86 cases when Spanish nationalists [sometimes with the help of Italian warships] stopped Soviet ships are known [not all ships transported military aid and all three sunk Soviet ships transported civil cargos, 66 runs with ammunition/weapons on board were made to Spanish republic] .kgvm wrote:
BIGpanzer asked about details of the capture of some ships by the Spanish nationalists.
All I have is the following:
"Lensovet" captured in the straits of Gibraltar 19.03.38
"Postyshev" captured in the straits of Gibraltar by the auxiliary cruiser "V. Puchol" 31.05.38
"Tsyurupa" captured in the Mediterranean by the cruiser "Almirante Cervera" 23.10.38
The other ships captured by the nationalists were:
"Katayama" captured in the Mediterranean by the minelayer "Vulcano" 17.10.38 (see the story posted by BIGpanzer)
"Max Hoelts" captured in the Mediterranean by the minelayer "Vulcano" 02.11.38
"Skvortsov Stepanov" captured in the Mediterranean by the cruiser "Canarias" 26.05.38
"Smidovich" captured near Bilbao by the destroyer "Velasco" 10.01.37
Yes, I also posted this info here somewhere above.kgvm wrote:
To complete the losses in the Spanish civil war:
"Blagoev" torpedoed and sunk in the Aegean Sea by the Italian submarine "Settembrini" 03.09.37
"Komsomol" sunk in the western Mediterranean near Cape Palos by the cruiser "Canarias" 14.12.36
"Timiryazev" torpedoed and sunk near Tizgirt (Algeria) by the Italian destroyer "Turbine" 31.08.37
Marty, do you know additional info about the incident with Lend-Lease "Emba" when the ship was strafed by U.S. aircraft on 14.10.1944?Marty wrote:
EMBA was one of the few Lend Lease ships returned by the Soviets after WWII. (Several others were returned during the war.) I just finished writing that section of my manuscript. An interesting story.
Yes, that's in line with my informations. There were two more sisterships.BIG panzer wrote:
According to http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/nglloyd.html [North German Lloyd]: "Ivo" ["Svir"] was sold to USSR in 1932 and "Immo" ["Volkhov"] was sold to USSR in 1932 also [as well as "Irmgard"/"Luga"].
I didn't see the photo of "Arnfried"/"Ladoga" in Soviet service also. I know only that "Ladoga" was used by Far-Eastern Steamship Company [DVMP] in 1939-1945 and was given to Pacific Navy 15.09.1945.kgvm wrote:
One ("Arnfried") was sold in 1932, too, to Russia and became "Ladoga". But of this ship I know only a picture as German "Arnfried" (in the already mentioned book of Arnold Kludas, Die Schiffe der deutschen Afrika-Linien 1880 - 1945)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... &start=180BIGpanzer wrote:I continue my list....
II. Soviet ships, were abandoned in Soviet ports because of their technical condition (under repair, etc.) and were captured by German forces.
Latvian Shipping Company (LGMP) - almost all were previous Latvian ships. They had the same names in Soviet merchant navy.
-------
14 "Ilga", cargo steamer, Ladoga 09.09.1941
Yes, thanks, kgvm, I know this. The problem was that several Russian sources about "Krasny partizan" I found mention both possible reasons - enemy bombers [26.01.1943] or U-255, so I got the impression that there are no exact confirmations about U-255 attack against "Krasny partizan". For example, all sources mention without any doubts that "Ufa" [cargo steamer, 1892 brt, North State Sea Steamship Company, captain L.I. Patrikeev] was torpedoed by U-255 in the Barents Sea to the south of Is. Medvezhy (Bear Is.) 74°N 18°E [area AB-6380], 29.01.1943. "Ufa" left Murmansk 23.01.1943 and made run to Iceland alone, 39 crewmembers were lost [including captain].kgvm wrote:
According to Chronik des Seekrieges 1939 - 1945 "Krasny Partizan" was sunk by "U 255" 29.01.43
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/43-01.htm
Thanks, Marty, for the detailed info. You mention that ~80% of Soviet merchant ships operating in the Northern Theatre [ports Murmansk, Arkhangelsk, Belysh'ya Guba], participated in Pacific(?!) via Kola-to-Iceland route since the beginning of 1943. Pacific or Northern Atlantic, no mistake? Also you forgot to mention port Severodvinsk which was built very quickly in the beginning of 1942. Do you know the exact amount of Soviet merchant ships operated in North Atlantic/North Sea/Greenland Sea/Norwegian Sea/Barents Sea in 1943? Some amount of Soviet merchant ships continued runs alone and in local convoys along Kara Sea and were not used in North Atlantic operations that time - to say more, as no convoys came to Murmansk and Arkhangelsk during the first 8 months of 1943, chief of North Sea Route I.D. Papanin got the order in July 1943 to manage the arctic navigation in East Arctic because the amount of ships from USA to Far-Eastern ports [Vladivostok, Petropavlovsk-Kamchatski, Providence bay] increased, near 45 ships with necessary cargos on board gathered in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatski in autumn 1943.Marty wrote:
Here is what I've written in my manuscript on the loss of KRASNYI PARTIZAN:
"A more fundamental decision was made in January 1943 that virtually all of the major ships operating from Arkhangel’sk, Murmansk and Belush'ya should move to the Pacific via the Kola-to-Iceland route. In all 40 ships, representing perhaps 80% of the total Soviet fleet operating in the Northern Theater, made a dash for the Pacific via this route. Included in this order, in addition to the ships returning from the aborted Northern Sea Route convoy, were Aldan, Belomorkanal, Belorussiya, Bureya, Ilmen, Kara, Krasnoe Znamya, Krasnyi Partizan, Kuzbass, Leonid Krasin, Msta, Ob, Okhta, Osmussar, Sakko, Sheksna, Shilka, Soroka, Ufa, Uritskii, Vanzetti, Vetluga and Volga.
"Three of the ships were lost during these voyages, which is not a particularly high rate of loss. Two of the ships, Ufa and Krasnyi Partizan, were both sunk on the same day by U.255. Krasnyi Partizan had been attacked first by German aircraft near Bear Island on 26 January 1943 and reported by radio that the ship was on fire. It was not heard from again and postwar records verify that it was subsequently torpedoed by U.255 on 29 January. After breaking in two the ship sank rapidly, without survivors. That same day, and in the same area, Ufa was sighted by U.255 and sent to the bottom without survivors among the crew of 29 or 39 depending on the sources referenced."