Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by stg 44 » 31 Mar 2021 02:42

per70 wrote:
30 Mar 2021 18:26
KDF33 wrote:
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Do you think you could repost it here? It was amazingly useful information and is impossible to find anywhere on the web since ACG shut down.
I'm a bit unsure about the specific data table you're looking for.

But for the ration strength figures, you can take a look here:
https://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/gko1941.html
https://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/gko1942.html

11.09.41:
https://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/text/0660.html

15.10.41:
https://www.soldat.ru/doc/gko/text/0806.html
Do you know if the Soviets had a different system for ration strength vs. actual strength like the German army did with its multiple categories of strengths? I'm trying to figure out how accurate the GKO reports were for specific dates for Soviet frontline strength during the fighting for Smolensk and the GKO reports read like they're estimates of ration needs going forward rather than strength at that specific time.

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by godavid » 16 Apr 2021 12:12

I have a question,i hope this is the right place to ask, during the war there were something called peoples militsia drafted in the cities plus volunters joining them,but i have never seen anything specific written about them in english ,how many, where on the front they where , what happened and so on,if anybody here in the forum know anything please tell us , thanks

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by AMVAS » 16 Apr 2021 19:49

godavid wrote:
16 Apr 2021 12:12
I have a question,i hope this is the right place to ask, during the war there were something called peoples militsia drafted in the cities plus volunters joining them,but i have never seen anything specific written about them in english ,how many, where on the front they where , what happened and so on,if anybody here in the forum know anything please tell us , thanks
Hi
I think you mean "Narodnoye Opolcheniye" divisions.
I'm not sure what exists about them in English, but in Russian their listing you can find here.
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Perec ... 03.html#02
Mostly they were formed in Moscow and Leningrad, but some of thsoe also could be seen in Crimea and Polar areas.
sections IV - V.

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by Art » 17 Apr 2021 07:50

stg 44 wrote:
31 Mar 2021 02:42
Do you know if the Soviets had a different system for ration strength vs. actual strength like the German army did with its multiple categories of strengths? I'm trying to figure out how accurate the GKO reports were for specific dates for Soviet frontline strength during the fighting for Smolensk and the GKO reports read like they're estimates of ration needs going forward rather than strength at that specific time.
In January 1942 the number of rations was estimated in the following way:
allocated by the GKO decree of 15.10.41 for the IV quarter of 1941 - 8,006,000
plus additional formations ordered by the GKO from 14.10.41 to 4.01.42 (almost 600,000) - 8,598,695 rations total.
Red Army's strength (roster strength as of 20.12.1942) - 8,812,108, including 344,058 officers in military districts, who didn't receive rations. Thus, the number of rations needed is 8,468,050. The rations overhead (8,598,695-8,468,050 = 130,545) is used for formation of new units after 20.12.1941 - total 141,395 men. The difference of 10,850 men is covered by reduction of existing unit's strength.
At the same time hospital and horses rations were simply allocated based on the numbers available on 20.12.1942.
The number of rations given to operational fronts simply coincided with the actual strength as of 20.12.1941, the number given to military district was somehow redistributed based on considerations which were not explicitly stated.

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by stg 44 » 17 Apr 2021 14:10

Art wrote:
17 Apr 2021 07:50
stg 44 wrote:
31 Mar 2021 02:42
Do you know if the Soviets had a different system for ration strength vs. actual strength like the German army did with its multiple categories of strengths? I'm trying to figure out how accurate the GKO reports were for specific dates for Soviet frontline strength during the fighting for Smolensk and the GKO reports read like they're estimates of ration needs going forward rather than strength at that specific time.
In January 1942 the number of rations was estimated in the following way:
allocated by the GKO decree of 15.10.41 for the IV quarter of 1941 - 8,006,000
plus additional formations ordered by the GKO from 14.10.41 to 4.01.42 (almost 600,000) - 8,598,695 rations total.
Red Army's strength (roster strength as of 20.12.1942) - 8,812,108, including 344,058 officers in military districts, who didn't receive rations. Thus, the number of rations needed is 8,468,050. The rations overhead (8,598,695-8,468,050 = 130,545) is used for formation of new units after 20.12.1941 - total 141,395 men. The difference of 10,850 men is covered by reduction of existing unit's strength.
At the same time hospital and horses rations were simply allocated based on the numbers available on 20.12.1942.
The number of rations given to operational fronts simply coincided with the actual strength as of 20.12.1941, the number given to military district was somehow redistributed based on considerations which were not explicitly stated.
Thanks Art!

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by wwilson » 18 Apr 2021 12:22

@AMVAS

Thank you for the URL noted below. That site is a very useful resource.

Cheers

Referring to: http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Perec ... 03.html#02

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Re: Soviet Fronts strengths: Overview

Post by AMVAS » 18 Apr 2021 18:45

wwilson wrote:
18 Apr 2021 12:22
@AMVAS

Thank you for the URL noted below. That site is a very useful resource.

Cheers
Welcome ;)

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