Russian Stuka types ?

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Russian Stuka types ?

Post by coldam » 25 Oct 2002 22:25

Did the Russians use tank-buster planes in World War two?

if so, when did they start using them - Kursk?
How successful were they?

After our trek('the day AH died')
we were told that a burned out German tank near our village was
destroyed by a Russian plane.

thanks,

...peter

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Post by Caldric » 25 Oct 2002 22:44

Yes the Russian's had the best Tank Buster of the war, well at least in my opinion, and many historians also. The IL-2 Sturmovik was a terror on German forces.


I have also read from Russian writers that it was also a flying coffin.
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Post by Starinov » 25 Oct 2002 22:53

There was the Il-2 and the Pe-2. The first was a tank-buster, the second, a dive bomber... Both were tactical support planes and lethal ones.

Both were introduced prior to June 22nd 1941. There were around 250 Il-2 and some 450 Pe-2 available at that time.

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Post by Logan Hartke » 25 Oct 2002 23:04

They also used the American P-39 Aircobra and the American Bell P-63 Kingcobra and the Sukhoi Su-2.

Bell P-39 Aircobra
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Bell P-63 Kingcobra
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Su-2
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The Polikarpov I-16 and the Petlyakov Pe-2 were also used in this role.

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Petlyakov Pe-2
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P-39

Post by White Leopard » 26 Oct 2002 01:45

I remember seeing an article about the P-39 in a book on airplanes that were examples of bizzare or faulty design. The P-39 had the engine placed behind the pilot and the crankshaft ran under the cockpit. If I remember correctly, a fuel tank was placed in the nose. It was disliked by most American flyers for obvious reasons. The articule also stated that as a pure fighter it's manueverablity and speed were only medicore.

It found it's niche in Russia. But was the Russian front the only place where it was extensively deployed?

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Re: P-39

Post by Logan Hartke » 26 Oct 2002 02:50

White Leopard wrote:It found it's niche in Russia. But was the Russian front the only place where it was extensively deployed?

Basically, yes. Many were deployed in the Pacific, but technically, many of those were not P-39s. They were P-400s, the export model taken into service by the US. The planes deployed to the Pacific were not well liked and many were shot down in staggering numbers. Also, even though many were deployed to the Pacific, not all of them saw action.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 26 Oct 2002 07:04

You forgot IL-10 Image

SU -4 and TU-2 tu some extend

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Post by Victor » 26 Oct 2002 12:54

As I understand Logan, the P-39s were not used in ground attack as many tend to believe. They were generally escorts for Il-2s or interceptors and they fared pretyy well.
The P-63 Kingcobra arrived to late to be used on the front in Europe. It was kept as a bomber interceptor in home defense and later as a trainer for jets, due to its tricycle landing gear.

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Post by Victor » 26 Oct 2002 12:55

Btw, wasn't there in 1941 also a dive bomber version of the SB?

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Post by Korbius » 26 Oct 2002 13:26

The Il-10 came late in '44, therefore it didn't see extensive use as Il-2, even though it was used as a main tank buster in the Korean War.

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 26 Oct 2002 20:43

Victor,

Right, Arhangelskij Ar-2

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Post by Victor » 27 Oct 2002 08:41

Juha Tompuri wrote:Victor,

Right, Arhangelskij Ar-2

Juha


Thanks, I couldn't remember the name.

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Post by LeoAU » 28 Oct 2002 04:53

I reckon Yak's versions of tank busters with high caliber gun should me mentioned as well. If I am not mistaken, it's Yak-9T. They weren't good as fighters and small numbers were used as ground attacking planes.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 28 Oct 2002 08:41

YaK-9T (tankoviy - tank) was armed with 1 37mm NS-37 canon AP ammo had weight of 770 g and muzzle velocity of 810 m/s HE ammo had mass of 732 and muzzle velocity of 865 m/s. AP capabilities 45 mm at 400 m, 50 mm at 200m. total ammount of ammo -32.

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