SD/ Sipo combat tunics

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Jawol
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SD/ Sipo combat tunics

Post by Jawol » 26 May 2023 09:16

Hello. I was wondering if someone extremely knowledgeable can help me in identifying what exactly an SD combat tunic might have looked like. I’m thinking of basic guard units outside of maybe an SD office or in some occupied territories; what exactly would they have worn?

My best guess is , depending on the time, m36/m43 tunic OR classic open collar m37 Sd/ ssvt/ allgemeine tunic, along side Jack boots or low boots and an m40 cap or m43 cap- with blank collar tabs on tunic and police boards and Sd sleeve diamond without piping? ( maybe with piping I’m not sure if someone could help me I’d be very thankful)

Is this accurate?

Btw, was there ever an SD Mann ? I’ve only seen boards that start at sturmann and apparently the sds rank system started there, so what exactly would a guard wear, aka someone of the lowest level ? I’d imagine infront of an Sd building or office not every single guard unit would be sturmann ?

I’m asking specifically if the double blank collar tabs were worn and if that was a thing


Anyone that can help, I’d be very thankful

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Re: SD/ Sipo combat tunics

Post by Erich2019 » 26 May 2023 14:44

The best example would be field tunics worn by members of the SS-Einsatzgruppen which included SD of all ranks along with Polizei and W-SS personnel. So basically A-SS field grey tunics with SS/SD insignia.

Erich

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Re: SD/ Sipo combat tunics

Post by Jawol » 28 May 2023 20:06

Erich2019 wrote:
26 May 2023 14:44
The best example would be field tunics worn by members of the SS-Einsatzgruppen which included SD of all ranks along with Polizei and W-SS personnel. So basically A-SS field grey tunics with SS/SD insignia.

Erich


When you say A-ss tunics, you mean open collar m37/m39 SSVT tunics for early war and then m40-m43 tunics for late early-war to end war period?

I ask because the Sd used open collar tunics for the early war period and all throughout the war, officers especially, but it’s my understanding that both enlisted men and officers began using army style combat tunics at some point during the war, my guess is around 1941-1942 army pattern tunics were authorized but I don’t know the exact dates

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Re: SD/ Sipo combat tunics

Post by Peter » 04 Jun 2023 18:18

SD/Sipo members involved in anti-partisan combat wore uniforms very similar to the Waffen-SS, many not open collar, but obviously wore the SD raute on their sleeve and a blank collar patch instead of the runic collar patch. There were SD men at all ranks and blank collar patches on both sides were not uncommon, some wore combat awards such as EK1 & 2, Close Combat Clasp, Infantry Assault Badge, etc.

Units operated under the HSSPF.

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