Hello dblmed!
Magnificent contribution that helped me enormously to identify a recent purchase of mine. I got this pic mislabeld as SS and was clueless what I had actually bought till finding this great thread. Many thanks again.
The interesting thing about the TeNo group below is that there's a woman amongst them and she seems to be organic to the unit. (None of the common girlfriend/wife in uniform pics.)
Do you have any information on the employment of females in the TeNo? Any bit of information is welcome.
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Torsten
TeNo HOME BASE Cloth-Metal-Uniform-Documents et al
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Girls in the TeNo - 1
Hi Torsten !
What an outstanding TeNo photo, with definitely a Female TeNo Member in the midst of the Nothelfers. [She has a cute earring dangling & her pockets protrude correctly!]
The Uniforms are the 1940 TeNo feldgrau uniforms, without a Right breast Reichsadler, as is correct. The eagle is present on the Lt. sleeve triangle patch. Note the mixed ages of the group - from young to older - no just an "old boy's" group of TeNo personnel.
Essentially 'nothing' is known about Female TeNo members in this early war time frame. My 'guess' is that she would be fulfilling a clerical position for the unit - I don't think the boys would expect her to work on their usual heavy duty repair jobs!
? Any writing on the reverse? If you tire of the photo, or it doesn't fit with your collection, send it my way to join up with other TeNo buddies! ... Thanks Torsten for a Wonderful photo!
Here's a photo of 2 TeNo OG [Ortsgruppe] Zeitz Helferin wearing the 1933 Lt. Sleeve "TN-in-Cog" patch.
Txs, Dave L/ dblmed
What an outstanding TeNo photo, with definitely a Female TeNo Member in the midst of the Nothelfers. [She has a cute earring dangling & her pockets protrude correctly!]
The Uniforms are the 1940 TeNo feldgrau uniforms, without a Right breast Reichsadler, as is correct. The eagle is present on the Lt. sleeve triangle patch. Note the mixed ages of the group - from young to older - no just an "old boy's" group of TeNo personnel.
Essentially 'nothing' is known about Female TeNo members in this early war time frame. My 'guess' is that she would be fulfilling a clerical position for the unit - I don't think the boys would expect her to work on their usual heavy duty repair jobs!
? Any writing on the reverse? If you tire of the photo, or it doesn't fit with your collection, send it my way to join up with other TeNo buddies! ... Thanks Torsten for a Wonderful photo!
Here's a photo of 2 TeNo OG [Ortsgruppe] Zeitz Helferin wearing the 1933 Lt. Sleeve "TN-in-Cog" patch.
Txs, Dave L/ dblmed
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Girls in the TeNo - 2
Girls in the TeNo - 2
Here is a photo [from the Web, sent by a friend], of TeNo Helferin wearing the 1934-35 Diagonal Lt. Sleeve Patch. [The familiar TeNo Lt. Sleeve Eagle Triangle patch was introduced in 1935. Regulations did allow the
patch to be worn in transition, until 1937 however.] Without other dating information, we can say that this
photo was taken between 1934 & 1937.
Their 'Uniforms' are quite distinct & I've seen no other photo-documentation like it. Lots to learn about the Girls of the Technische Nothilfe. ... Txs, Dave L / dblmed
Here is a photo [from the Web, sent by a friend], of TeNo Helferin wearing the 1934-35 Diagonal Lt. Sleeve Patch. [The familiar TeNo Lt. Sleeve Eagle Triangle patch was introduced in 1935. Regulations did allow the
patch to be worn in transition, until 1937 however.] Without other dating information, we can say that this
photo was taken between 1934 & 1937.
Their 'Uniforms' are quite distinct & I've seen no other photo-documentation like it. Lots to learn about the Girls of the Technische Nothilfe. ... Txs, Dave L / dblmed
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Girls in the TeNo - 3
Girls in the TeNo - 3
The last photo that I have is of TN Vlotho V/54, in what I date 1933, since the Lt. sleeve patches are visible, with the TN • TeNo Emblem above the group. No swastika flags, etc. point to 1933, IMO. [Photo is courtesy of the THW Vlotho webpage.
The 2 seated women could well be Helferin, because they are grouped with the TeNo boys. If it were a wives & girlfriend's type photo - many more women would be present. Therefore, I believe that they represent Helferin.
The very, very best information about women in the post-1933 TeNo is from Dieter Deuster's "Polizei Uniformen, ..." book, which I highly recommend. Deuster states on page 338, that:
"...11. Clothing of the female TN-personnel
In the process of the war women and young females worked as ”TN-Aids“ [TN-Helferinnen] in the office, realigned due to the general shortage of staff, im Büro-Nachrichten-Wirtschafts - in the office, Messages / Signals / economics - and the repair service - Instandsetzungsdienst – either conscripted or employed on a voluntary basis. (Footnote 40)
The service was performed generally in civilian clothes. Sometimes a characteristic 10 cm broad GREEN armband [armbinde] with a two-line label ”Technische Nothilfe“ in white Gothic Letters, was worn on the left upper arm.
In particular in the Economics (Wirtschafts) and in the (Instandsetzungsdienst) Repair Service the TN-Aids [TN-Helferinnen] wore the dark-blue Schiffchenmütze with the TN-Hoheitsabzeichen and the Reichskokarde and a one-or two-piece raw-grey work uniform [Drillichanzug] with cloth belt, and if necessary with this uniform the GREEN TN-Armband [TN-Armbinde] was worn. Over other pieces of service clothing and badges nothing is well-known. ..."
Translated from German by me - so there well could be translation mistakes. Txs, Dave L / dblmed
The last photo that I have is of TN Vlotho V/54, in what I date 1933, since the Lt. sleeve patches are visible, with the TN • TeNo Emblem above the group. No swastika flags, etc. point to 1933, IMO. [Photo is courtesy of the THW Vlotho webpage.
The 2 seated women could well be Helferin, because they are grouped with the TeNo boys. If it were a wives & girlfriend's type photo - many more women would be present. Therefore, I believe that they represent Helferin.
The very, very best information about women in the post-1933 TeNo is from Dieter Deuster's "Polizei Uniformen, ..." book, which I highly recommend. Deuster states on page 338, that:
"...11. Clothing of the female TN-personnel
In the process of the war women and young females worked as ”TN-Aids“ [TN-Helferinnen] in the office, realigned due to the general shortage of staff, im Büro-Nachrichten-Wirtschafts - in the office, Messages / Signals / economics - and the repair service - Instandsetzungsdienst – either conscripted or employed on a voluntary basis. (Footnote 40)
The service was performed generally in civilian clothes. Sometimes a characteristic 10 cm broad GREEN armband [armbinde] with a two-line label ”Technische Nothilfe“ in white Gothic Letters, was worn on the left upper arm.
In particular in the Economics (Wirtschafts) and in the (Instandsetzungsdienst) Repair Service the TN-Aids [TN-Helferinnen] wore the dark-blue Schiffchenmütze with the TN-Hoheitsabzeichen and the Reichskokarde and a one-or two-piece raw-grey work uniform [Drillichanzug] with cloth belt, and if necessary with this uniform the GREEN TN-Armband [TN-Armbinde] was worn. Over other pieces of service clothing and badges nothing is well-known. ..."
Translated from German by me - so there well could be translation mistakes. Txs, Dave L / dblmed
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Hello dblmed!
Many thanks for your long reply that contains much more information on the females in the TeNo than I had hoped for.
Sadly there's no information on the backside.
Many thanks again.
Torsten
Many thanks for your long reply that contains much more information on the females in the TeNo than I had hoped for.
Sadly there's no information on the backside.
Many thanks again.
Torsten
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Hello,
found the following great pic of a TeNo man in the photo collection of the Austrian National Library (Österreichische Nationalbibliothek).
Source:
http://www.bildarchivaustria.at Image No. 305817
Best regards
Torsten
found the following great pic of a TeNo man in the photo collection of the Austrian National Library (Österreichische Nationalbibliothek).
Source:
http://www.bildarchivaustria.at Image No. 305817
Best regards
Torsten
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TeNo in Austria / Österreich
Hi Torsten, That is a really Super photo which you located in the Österreich Archives!
There was a great deal of TeNo activities in Austria, which was partitioned as Österreich or Ostmark Nord [LGXVIII] with the HQ in Salzburg (I believe) & the more important Österreich or Ostmark Süd [LGXVII] with HQ in Vienna - the 2nd largest city of the Reich.
The foto shows a TeNo EM in the 1940 [& later] Feldgrau uniform, with TeNo specific buttons. The yellow Deutsche Wehrmach armband on the Left Sleeve, denotes that the services were performed under the auspices of the Wehrmach. His Right collar tab/patch appears to be Blank, as was the usual custom for the TN assigned outside of Germany. The other men wear the 2 piece off-white TN Arbeitzug. The side caps 'look' to also be Feldgrau, but I can't be sure in the B&W [S&W] photo. The TeNo [Technische Nothilfe] left cuff title is shown nicely.
A really great foto for study & demonstrating TeNo items. ... Txs, Dave L / dblmed
There was a great deal of TeNo activities in Austria, which was partitioned as Österreich or Ostmark Nord [LGXVIII] with the HQ in Salzburg (I believe) & the more important Österreich or Ostmark Süd [LGXVII] with HQ in Vienna - the 2nd largest city of the Reich.
The foto shows a TeNo EM in the 1940 [& later] Feldgrau uniform, with TeNo specific buttons. The yellow Deutsche Wehrmach armband on the Left Sleeve, denotes that the services were performed under the auspices of the Wehrmach. His Right collar tab/patch appears to be Blank, as was the usual custom for the TN assigned outside of Germany. The other men wear the 2 piece off-white TN Arbeitzug. The side caps 'look' to also be Feldgrau, but I can't be sure in the B&W [S&W] photo. The TeNo [Technische Nothilfe] left cuff title is shown nicely.
A really great foto for study & demonstrating TeNo items. ... Txs, Dave L / dblmed
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Hello,
A great thread, very useful. I thought I'd add three images I found on the Bundesarchiv photo library. All three are from the 1939 Tag der deutschen polizei in Berlin and show a TeNo exhibit outside the Berliner Dom. They show a range of uniform and also some rescue and safety equipment used.
Respirator drill.
A great thread, very useful. I thought I'd add three images I found on the Bundesarchiv photo library. All three are from the 1939 Tag der deutschen polizei in Berlin and show a TeNo exhibit outside the Berliner Dom. They show a range of uniform and also some rescue and safety equipment used.
Respirator drill.
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"It was like Hungary being between Germany and the Soviet Union. What sort of choice was that? Which language would you like your firing squad to speak?" Tibor Fischer 'Under the Frog'.
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TeNo men demonstrating cutting equipment in off-white working dress. Note the heavy duty mitts on the two assisting and the goggles on one of them, the bloke actually doing the cutting has got nothing!
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"It was like Hungary being between Germany and the Soviet Union. What sort of choice was that? Which language would you like your firing squad to speak?" Tibor Fischer 'Under the Frog'.
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TeNo bandsmen. All photos dated 29th January 1939. Source; Bundesarchiv.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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TeNo armbands
All 4 of these are made by H & F. I have others.
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Re: TeNo HOME BASE Cloth-Metal-Uniform-Documents et al
Extremely helpful and thorough thread for Teno items. Thank you. I just picked up my first Teno armband. I'm wondering about its authenticity. It is cloth with the Teno logo printed on it. Are there known examples of this style without any makers marks on them? This one looks and smells right but I am having trouble verifying if non marked versions were ever manufactured. Thanks for reading and any guidance!
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Re: TeNo White Armband - Printed Type
Re: TeNo White Armband - Printed Type
The printed TeNo White Armband has been found to be made of several materials:
Cotton;
Linen
Rayon
Ultra-soft Rayon / Almost like Silk
I have not seen the Printed variety to be Maker Marked.
Best, Dave L / dblmed
The printed TeNo White Armband has been found to be made of several materials:
Cotton;
Linen
Rayon
Ultra-soft Rayon / Almost like Silk
I have not seen the Printed variety to be Maker Marked.
Best, Dave L / dblmed
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Thank you for the reply and information. Here are pics of the armband. I've heard repros were made in the 70s.
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Re: TeNo White Armband - Printed Type
Your TeNo White Armband - Printed Type looks OK.
It has the expected material & type of construction.
These printed types required 2 'runs' in the printing process - one for RED & then one for BLACK.
You can see that the black is a little bit off centered, but this is seen on 'documented' printed types at times.
It is 'guessed' that there were several different firms which made these.
Yes, the printed type has been reproduced.
Best, Dave L / dblmed
It has the expected material & type of construction.
These printed types required 2 'runs' in the printing process - one for RED & then one for BLACK.
You can see that the black is a little bit off centered, but this is seen on 'documented' printed types at times.
It is 'guessed' that there were several different firms which made these.
Yes, the printed type has been reproduced.
Best, Dave L / dblmed