Uniform ID question

[Stanford9]

From the colour quality, particularly the reds, the possibly plastic jam pot and the quantity of jam these two men have in it, I rather think that this is a recent reenactment.

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[HPL2008]

It's no re-enactment; it's a period photograph by the renowned Reichsbahn photographer Walter Hollnagel.

More of his photographs can be found here...:

https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergale ... br=&page=1

...incidentally, including this one. I should have checked that site first: It's dated August 1944. Either the date is erroneous, or the man on the right wasn't up to date with his insignia. (Most likely the latter. Many period photographs of railway personnel show that this was not uncommon.)

[AlifRafikKhan]

Thank you HPL2008

[Stanford9]

My mistake sorry.

[stairstars]

Greetings,

I am seeking information on this Hollywood tunic, which I am guessing is supposed to be an Austrian-Hungarian Officer, but the stitching on the bat wing flaps appears to not be right. Hollywood often got things wrong, plus pieces were altered for later productions - sometimes in fictional ways.

Does anyone know if this is an accurate uniform for any country or army?

Thanks.

rick

[von thoma]

It try to be an Austrian M1916 tunic, or a Hungarian zubbony, maybe tailored for historical movies
This model was used by mountain troops, but officers tunics wore buttons in sight
As you say, Hollywood is not always accurate...

[stairstars]

Thank you, for your response.

Do the colors of the collar denote anything?

rick

[OdoHerr]

Hi, and Happy New Year to all of you

Could anyone identify this kind of uniforms for me, as I'm no specialist at all.

Can't find neither arm/speciality, nor grade;
No.2 & 3: is this kind of chinstrap relevant of anything special?
No.2 wears a kind of SS pin?

Many thanks in advance.

OdoHerr

[HPL2008]

All three are customs [Zoll] officials.

As for rank, the first man is a Hilfszollbetriebsassistent, the second one a Zollassistent and the third one a Zollsekretär.

These green-and-silver cap cords were worn by the ranks of Außerplanmäßiger Zollassistent, Zollassistent and Zollsekretär.

The second man wears an SS-Zivilabzeichen [SS civilian pin], as well as an NSDAP party pin and an SA-Wehrabzeichen. The last one is wearing a ribbon bar for the Sudetenland medal and the Zollgrenzschutz-Ehrenzeichen.

[von thoma]

Do the colors of the collar denote anything ?

The system of colors and colored badges ( Egalisierungsfarben ) was used to identify the individual regiments, and to differentiate
between the arms of the Austro-Hungarian Army

[stairstars]

Thank you, again for this.

A GOOGLE search for Egalisierungsfarben revealed 11 different hues of red!
I was hoping the collar might have been a clue to it's film use, but alas...no.

The Western Costume Company label is a pre 1934, so we are looking at the films of von Stroheim, but the error in the flap stitching, led to thinking this was one of the costumes he rejected from WCC and insisted they obtain real ones from Austria, which they did along with weapons and carriages. Part of this effort is that Stroheim's shirt and jodhpurs, from THE WEDDING MARCH, were located in the late 1970s, at PARAMOUNT, by Debbie Reynolds, and sold to PLANET HOLLYWOOD in the 1990s. They resold them in 2002 at Sotheby's. No tunic has been found. These pieces each have the same style label with his name legible.

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Also, note von Stroheim's cuffs are flared and are buttoned. Is this based in reality?

rick

[OdoHerr]

All three are customs [Zoll] officials.

As for rank, the first man is a Hilfszollbetriebsassistent, the second one a Zollassistent and the third one a Zollsekretär.

These green-and-silver cap cords were worn by the ranks of Außerplanmäßiger Zollassistent, Zollassistent and Zollsekretär.

The second man wears an SS-Zivilabzeichen [SS civilian pin], as well as an NSDAP party pin and an SA-Wehrabzeichen. The last one is wearing a ribbon bar for the Sudetenland medal and the Zollgrenzschutz-Ehrenzeichen.

Many thanks for this prompt and very complete answer !!!

OdoHerr

[Maxschnauzer]

It's no re-enactment; it's a period photograph by the renowned Reichsbahn photographer Walter Hollnagel.

More of his photographs can be found here...:

https://eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergale ... br=&page=1

...incidentally, including this one. I should have checked that site first: It's dated August 1944. Either the date is erroneous, or the man on the right wasn't up to date with his insignia. (Most likely the latter. Many period photographs of railway personnel show that this was not uncommon.)

Hello HPL,
I was fooled too! The clarity and color are stunning for a photograph of that era. Thanks for posting the link, it is a remarkable website.

[von thoma]

Also, note von Stroheim's cuffs are flared and are buttoned. Is this based in reality?

All kind of Erich von Stroheim's uniforms on his old movies ( german, austrian, russian ) never were acurate 100%

[stril]

Hello
Is it possible to get some info about this luftwaffe uniform ?
regards
stril