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RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 04 Nov 2018 15:40

Can someone confirm if the unit on the RAD badge that is on the sleeve above the swastika armband is 47 with 4 underneath? It should be a unit located near Berlin in 1938.
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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by history1 » 04 Nov 2018 17:19

A better scan might help, and this list:
IX Brandenburg-West 90-96

RAD-Gruppe 90 Prenzlau 01.10.1935-1939
RAD-Abt. 1/90 Templin/Uckermark
RAD-Abt. K1/90 Bad Wilsnack
RAD-Abt. K3/90 Joachimsthal
RAD-Abt. 4/90 Zehdenick/Havel 1939
RADwJ-Lager 4/90 Alstedde
RAD-Gruppe 91 Bernau 01.10.1935-12.11.1943
RAD-Abt. 1/91 Bernau 01.10.1935, 1936, 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 4/91 "Theodor Basella" (?) Eberswalde
RAD-Abt. 5/91 Hüttersdorf
RAD-Abt. 6/91 "Horst Wessel" Lanke?
RAD-Gruppe 92 Blankenfelde 1938, 1939, 12.11.1943 - Luckenwalde 01.10.1935
RAD-Abt. 1/92 "Hake von Stülpe" Luckenwalde 01.10.1935, 1936, 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 2/92 "Bülow von Dennewitz" Tremsdorf
RAD-Abt. 3/92 "A. L. Schlageter" Wittstock/Dosse
RAD-Abt. 6/92 Trebbin
RAD-Abt. 7/92 Gross-Besten (01.04.1938) (FdW)
RAD-Abt. 8/92 Westrup 1942
RAD-Gruppe 93 Brandenburg 01.10.1935, 1936, 1939, 12.11.1943
RAD-Abt. 1/93 Brandenburg 01.10.1935, 1936, 1939
RAD-Abt. 2/93 Nauen
RAD-Abt. 3/93 Potsdam 1939
RAD-Abt. 4/93 Buckow (s. unten)
RAD-Abt. 6/93 Nauen
RAD-Gruppe 94 Perleberg 01.10.1935, 1937, 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 1/94 Perleberg
RAD-Abt. 2/94 "Bürgermeister Krippenstapel" Bad Wilsnack 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 5/94 "Obrist Stahlhans" Wittstock 1939
RAD-Abt. 6/94 Geilenkirchen II (W 23) Ostfm. Wache (Stand: 08.07.1938) "General Litzmann" (FDW)
RAD-Abt. 8/94 Lenzen (Elbe)
RAD-Gruppe 95 Velten 01.10.1935, 1936
RAD-Abt. 1/95 Velten 01.10.1935, 1936
RAD-Abt. K2/95 Trebbin 1940
RAD-Abt. 3/95 Nauen
RAD-Abt. 4/95 Fehrbellin
RAD-Gruppe 96 Wusterhausen 01.10.1935, 1936, 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. K1/96 Gr. Vannberge
RAD-Abt. K4/96 Havelberg
RAD-Abt. 7/96 Lassligh bei Perleberg, Losheim (FDW)
RAD-Abt. 10/96 Berlin
Source: http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=2060.0
It seems that Berlin doesn´t fit?

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 04 Nov 2018 17:27

history1 wrote:
04 Nov 2018 17:19
Source: http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=2060.0
It seems that Berlin doesn´t fit?
Maybe it is IV Pomeranian East 40-47?

It could be unit 42 not 47-

RAD Group 42 Bütow 01.10.1935, 1936, 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 1/42 Penzlin / Prignitz
RAD-Abt. 2/42 Bütow 1938, 1939
RAD-Abt. 3/42 Kaffzig
RADwJ bearings 3/42 Wusswerk
RAD-Abt. 4/42 Bütow 01.10.1935, 1936, Amern (W 10) Ofm. Wangler (as of 08.07.1938) "Yorck" (FDW)
RAD-Abt. 5/42 01.10.1935, 1936, 1938, 1939
RADwJ-Lager 5/42 Plaue / Havelgut
RAD-Abt. 6/42 Radensfelde
RADwJ-Bearing 10/42 Friesack
RADwJ-Bearing 16/42 Wadelsdorf

These are the 47 units -

RAD-Lager-Gruppe 47 Lübbenau
RADwJ-bearing 1/47 Gollmitz
RAD-Abt. K6 / 47 Lenzen
RAD-Abt. 8/47 Lenzen
RADwJ-Lager 10/47 Schlepzig

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by history1 » 04 Nov 2018 17:55

I rather see a 42/4.
From a different source on my PC:
RAD Bezirk IV - Mark Brandenburg (Berlin)
RAD Gruppe 42 - Berlin (1939):
Division / Location:
1/42 Penzlin b. Meyenburg
2/42 Elisabethhöhe bei Werder-Havel / Lindow Kurmark
3/42 Wusswerk / Königshorst-Nordhof
4/42 Hohennauen-Nordend
5/42 Plaue-Havelgut
6/42 Rhinow b. Großderschau
7/42 Nackel
8/42 Blumberg
9/42 Ringenwalde
10/42 Friesack
11/42 Liebenthal / Baitz b. Belzig
12/42 Falkenberg
13/42 Joachimsthal
14/42 Meyenburg
16/42 Wadelsdorf
23/42 Karstädt (Prignitz)"

Hohennauen is ~ 50 km west of Berlin:
https://goo.gl/maps/JTr9tq1XCwJ2

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 04 Nov 2018 18:10

I agree it should be - great work!

RAD Bezirk IV - Mark Brandenburg (Berlin)
RAD Gruppe 42 - Berlin:

4/42 Hohennauen-Nordend

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 04 Nov 2018 23:12

history1 wrote:
04 Nov 2018 17:55
I rather see a 42/4.
From a different source on my PC:
RAD Bezirk IV - Mark Brandenburg (Berlin)
RAD Gruppe 42 - Berlin (1939):
I have a source that says 4/42 was RAD-Lager for women so we could be wrong; can you verify if this correct?

If so then we need to reexamine his sleeve number.

According to the law, women of the Third Reich also had to serve in RAD.

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Max » 05 Nov 2018 00:35

Looks like 47 to me
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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 05 Nov 2018 00:39

Max wrote:
05 Nov 2018 00:35
Looks like 47 to me
RAD BADGE.jpg
Can you see the number below 47?

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Max » 05 Nov 2018 01:56

Volyn wrote:
05 Nov 2018 00:39
Max wrote:
05 Nov 2018 00:35
Looks like 47 to me
RAD BADGE.jpg
Can you see the number below 47?
It's very indistinct, but my guess is 4,
We need a higher res original
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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 05 Nov 2018 02:21

Max wrote:
05 Nov 2018 01:56
It's very indistinct, but my guess is 4,
That is what I originally thought, so it would be 4/47 if it was a 4 underneath.

But that group is not listed in the link http://forum.balsi.de/index.php?topic=2060.0

RAD-Lager-Gruppe 47 Lübbenau
RADwJ-bearing 1/47 Gollmitz
RAD-Abt. K6 / 47 Lenzen
RAD-Abt. 8/47 Lenzen
RADwJ-Lager 10/47 Schlepzig

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by history1 » 05 Nov 2018 07:55

That´s why I mentioned in my first post that we need a better scan, Max.
From a different source on my PC:
RAD Bezirk IV - Mark Brandenburg (Berlin)
RAD Gruppe 47 - ?:
Division / Location:
1/47 Gollmitz
10/47 Schlepzig
13/47 Siewisch

https://goo.gl/maps/u1UPcK787K72

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Max » 05 Nov 2018 13:26

Is this useful?

Arbeitsgau ----- IV
Name of Arbeitsgau ---- Pommern-Ost
Constituent Arbeitsgruppen ---- 40-47

https://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Nat ... eitsdienst
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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 05 Nov 2018 14:09

Max wrote:
05 Nov 2018 13:26
Arbeitsgau ----- IV
Name of Arbeitsgau ---- Pommern-Ost
Constituent Arbeitsgruppen ---- 40-47
I believe it could be so, see my post #3, but it still could be 4/42. The German 2 and 7 look similar but the 4 is distinct, and it really looks like there is a little 4 as the bottom number.
RAD Sleeve Badge.jpg
There is 4/42 for men according to the table could be found at Pommern near Bütow until 1938 (which is when the photograph was taken), but other sources say it could have also been for women. Maybe 4/42 is the correct unit and after 1938 it was re-designated a women's group?

As for RAD-Lager-Gruppe 47 Lübbenau it is also near Berlin, ironically 42 and 47 are almost equidistant from Berlin!

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Berlin, ... 345482!3e0

What do you gentlemen think - is it 4/42 Hohennauen- Nordend or mystery X/47?
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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by history1 » 05 Nov 2018 15:36

Hohennauen is at least near Berlin, the claimed hometown of this man. I only wonder if his datas/information arte correct. We don´t have any documents of him which states wre he was born or did live. Only his own words on the immigration/naturalisation file. And who knows if they´re correct?

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Re: RAD Badge Identification

Post by Volyn » 05 Nov 2018 16:00

history1 wrote:
05 Nov 2018 15:36
Hohennauen is at least near Berlin, the claimed hometown of this man. I only wonder if his datas/information are correct. We don´t have any documents of him which states where he was born or did live. Only his own words on the immigration/naturalisation file. And who knows if they´re correct?
He is for sure born in Berlin (I do not know which district) and he joined RAD when he lived in Berlin in April 1938 (which is after he was sailing with the SS Deutschland in 1937). I think you are correct about 4/42 Hohennauen-Nordend, this is probably the correct RAD-Lager for him.

I just need to confirm if 4/42 was converted into a women's group later or if this was inaccurate information.

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