Are parade bars only worn with the Waffenrock tunic or can they be worn with other uniforms?
If so, do you have photos of the various types.
Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
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What about medal bars?
Re: Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
Medal bars are display for special events, parades, etc, used in Full Dress uniforms ( Not available in certain Paramilitary Corps )
Ribbon bars are used in military Service Tunics, Paramilitary uniforms, even in civilian clothes ( Civil servants )
Big-size Medal Bars are common in personnel with a long service career, ex-combatants in WWI.
Ribbon bars are used in military Service Tunics, Paramilitary uniforms, even in civilian clothes ( Civil servants )
Big-size Medal Bars are common in personnel with a long service career, ex-combatants in WWI.
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Re: Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
I am aware off all of that. I want to know whether parade bars are worn with any tunic or just the Waffenrock tunics.
Re: Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
When it comes to the army specifically, the medal bar (große Ordensschnalle) was worn with the following orders of dress:
1. Paradeanzug (parade dress) (always)
2. Großer Gesellschaftsanzug (full evening dress) (always)
3. Dienstanzug (service dress) (only on special order)
Parade dress and full evening dress included the Waffenrock, service dress included the field blouse.
The ribbon bar (kleine Ordensschnalle) was worn with all other orders of dress (field uniform, guard uniform, walking-out uniform, informal evening dress etc.).
The above applied to the peacetime conditions. At the outbreak of war, the Waffenrock was no longer manufactured or issued, and the various orders of dress were simplified and reduced to only two: Feldanzug (field uniform) and Dienstanzug (service dress).
So, broadly spoken, there was no longer a need for the medal bar, and Dr. Doehle even wrote "The medal bar is worn only in peacetime [...]. During the war, only the ribbon bar [...], which displays the smaller-sized ribbons, but not the actual medals, is worn".
(However, medal bars were still made and worn during the war, both with the field blouse and on peacetime Waffenröcke that were being worn out.)
1. Paradeanzug (parade dress) (always)
2. Großer Gesellschaftsanzug (full evening dress) (always)
3. Dienstanzug (service dress) (only on special order)
Parade dress and full evening dress included the Waffenrock, service dress included the field blouse.
The ribbon bar (kleine Ordensschnalle) was worn with all other orders of dress (field uniform, guard uniform, walking-out uniform, informal evening dress etc.).
The above applied to the peacetime conditions. At the outbreak of war, the Waffenrock was no longer manufactured or issued, and the various orders of dress were simplified and reduced to only two: Feldanzug (field uniform) and Dienstanzug (service dress).
So, broadly spoken, there was no longer a need for the medal bar, and Dr. Doehle even wrote "The medal bar is worn only in peacetime [...]. During the war, only the ribbon bar [...], which displays the smaller-sized ribbons, but not the actual medals, is worn".
(However, medal bars were still made and worn during the war, both with the field blouse and on peacetime Waffenröcke that were being worn out.)
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Thank you for your excellent explanation!
Bases on what you say, I conclude that a general officer, in war-time, would probably not have loops for a larger parade bar sewn on his tunic, but only loops for a shorter ribbon bar.
Please take a look at this photo of Erwin Vierow. I have been trying to determine his ribbon bar awards and only came up with six; but the loops on his tunic appear to accommodate a much longer bar. Based on your comments, the loops would not have been sewn on for a parade bar. Do you agree?
Bases on what you say, I conclude that a general officer, in war-time, would probably not have loops for a larger parade bar sewn on his tunic, but only loops for a shorter ribbon bar.
Please take a look at this photo of Erwin Vierow. I have been trying to determine his ribbon bar awards and only came up with six; but the loops on his tunic appear to accommodate a much longer bar. Based on your comments, the loops would not have been sewn on for a parade bar. Do you agree?
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Re: Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
I wouldn't say that, actually:
As I said, medal bars didn't just vanish during the war, even though they were no longer a necessity and not nearly worn to the same extent as in peacetime. Of course, while a wartime draftee private might not have bothered having his one or two medals mounted as a proper medal bar, a general was much more likely to keep his medal bar updated during the war years. (He surely would have found more occasions to wear it.)
So, he was also more likely to take that into account when having his tunic furnished with thread loops for attaching his decorations, going for a number that would accommodate the full-size medal bar.
Here are some examples of portraits showing a medal bar worn with the field blouse:
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1123.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1124.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1142.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1055.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1089.html
As I said, medal bars didn't just vanish during the war, even though they were no longer a necessity and not nearly worn to the same extent as in peacetime. Of course, while a wartime draftee private might not have bothered having his one or two medals mounted as a proper medal bar, a general was much more likely to keep his medal bar updated during the war years. (He surely would have found more occasions to wear it.)
So, he was also more likely to take that into account when having his tunic furnished with thread loops for attaching his decorations, going for a number that would accommodate the full-size medal bar.
Here are some examples of portraits showing a medal bar worn with the field blouse:
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1123.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1124.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1142.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1055.html
http://antique-photos.com/en/maingaller ... -1089.html
Re: Parade / Medal Bars - which uniform?
Another point to consider:
The same set of thread loops was used to attach a medal bar or a ribbon bar (depending on order of dress and occasion). If the medal bar was much wider than the ribbon bar, one would have some spare loops left if the ribbon bar was worn.
However, this was not necessarily the case. Depending on the mounting technique and the width of the ribbons used, the difference in width of the medal bar vs. the ribbon bar could range from huge to insignificant.
Let me illustrate with some pieces from my collection.
The same set of thread loops was used to attach a medal bar or a ribbon bar (depending on order of dress and occasion). If the medal bar was much wider than the ribbon bar, one would have some spare loops left if the ribbon bar was worn.
However, this was not necessarily the case. Depending on the mounting technique and the width of the ribbons used, the difference in width of the medal bar vs. the ribbon bar could range from huge to insignificant.
Let me illustrate with some pieces from my collection.
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- 20200303_213806.jpg (76.79 KiB) Viewed 1986 times