Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

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Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby gcini777 » 17 Mar 2017 21:38

Hello, I am interested in the Ottoman officer Sureya Bey, a commander of the Ottoman Imperial Camel Corps. Who is Sureya Bey on this picture below (and the other seated gentlemen)? Are there also other pictures of Sureya Bey and if yes, where can I find them? What was the cause of Sureya Bey´s death? Are there any further infomations about his origins (home town, family etc.)? Thank you and I hope you can help me..
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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby stevebecker » 18 Mar 2017 01:48

Mate,

Its my understanding that Sureyya Bey is;

Süreyya Efendi (3) Camel (Hecin) Regt - 2Co Capt KIA 23-4-16 battle of Katya

reports place the 2nd Company Camel (hecin) with the Katia attack force, also killed

Halet Efendi (3) Camel (Hecin) Regt - 2Co Lt KIA 23-4-16 battle of Katya
Yakup Robenson Efendi (3) Camel (Hecin) Regt - 2Co Lt KIA 23-4-16 battle of Katya
Memduh Efendi (3) Camel (Hecin) Regt - 2Co Lt KIA 23-4-16 battle of Katya

Some reports place Capt Sirri Bey (3) Camel (Hecin) Regt as company commander, that does not explain Capt Sureyya Efendi with the 2nd Company?

So some of those men maybe these officers in the photo

Sorry I have no details on Süreyya Efendi, like where he came from or other details.

While I also have other officers so named;

Sureyya Bey aid to Ahmed Djemal or Ahmet Cemal or Cemel Pasha Lt murdered with Cemel Pasha and his Aid Lt Nusret Bey (reported killed by Armenian assassins or Georgian secret police at Tbilisi on 21 July 1922
Sureyya Bey 186th Regt LtCol
Sureyya Tahsin Aygun Medical General Doctor
M.Süreyya (Serter) Medical Doctor
Süreyya Bey Airforce LtCol
Süreyya Efendi 57th Regt 9Co Lt KIA 1915 from Karamürsel

Purhaps our friend Tosun may be able to sort them out


Cheers

S.B
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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby stevebecker » 19 Mar 2017 00:19

Mate,

A check of the site shows this by Tosun some time ago;

"Cav. Lt.Yakup Robenson in battle dress (on the left standing) of the camel raiders with other officers.

sitting 2nd from right Cav.Lt. Halet the school mate of him from Galatasaray

sitting 3rd from right their commander Cav. Capt. Süreyya Bey.
They all killed at Katya.
May they rest in peace
So mote it be!

Cheers

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby gcini777 » 19 Mar 2017 15:44

Thank you Steve for your helpful answers! May they rest in peace.

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby antwony » 21 Mar 2017 17:43

stevebecker wrote:Cav. Lt.Yakup Robenson in battle dress (on the left standing)


Jewish? What was the Ottoman army's attitude to Zionist settlers?

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby stevebecker » 22 Mar 2017 01:21

Mate,

Lt Robenson was one of three brothers in the Ottoman Army. They were from a British family that converted to islam.

So he was not Jewish that I know of?

As to the Jews under the Ottoman system.

While I can not claim to be an authority in this area, we find there mentioned in documents.

First, many jews were conscripted into the Ottoman Army, but numbers and where they served is mixed?

IN Palestine many jews were placed into labor units to work, while there was some crack down on Jewish settlements, particularly where they were involved in spy work against the Ottomans, most lived as they did in the past hundreds of years.

Some Jewish writes claim they (Ottomans) were heavy handed against their (Jewish) people, while others say they were not?

You may need to look at the sources to see what's about.

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby antwony » 22 Mar 2017 04:43

stevebecker wrote:Mate,

Lt Robenson was one of three brothers in the Ottoman Army. They were from a British family that converted to islam.


OK

stevebecker wrote:Some Jewish writes claim they (Ottomans) were heavy handed against their (Jewish) people, while others say they were not?

You may need to look at the sources to see what's about.

S.B


Guess that'd be a big topic, but thanks

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby stevebecker » 23 Mar 2017 01:31

Mate,

These men maybe some help by checking the net?

Amin-Salim Jarjora unknown unknown 1886 – 20 August 1975) jewish served in the Ottoman Army during World War I
Benajel Istor Adana Composed Labour Bn Pte jewish soldier died at Adana Miltary Hospital of wounds on 23.5.1917 brother Sehit?
Benajel Sehit Adana Composed Labour Bn Pte jewish soldier brother Istor?
David Hacohen unknown unknown born 1898 died 19 February 1984) enlist 1916 jewish soldier
Eliyahu Eliashar hosp unit Lt Dr 1899 - 30 October 1981) Jewish medical officer in the Ottoman Army
Haim Ariav Efendi translator Palestine and Caucasus Fronts Lt born Haim Krupski: 1895 – died 16 June 1957 an Israeli politician who served as a member of the Knesset for the General Zionists between 1951 and 1957 a Jew
Moshe Sharett or Shertok an interpreter Lt 16 October 1894 – 7 July 1965) jewish the second Prime Minister of Israel (1954–55)

Cheers

S.B

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby stevebecker » 10 Jun 2017 23:41

Mates,

I don't know if you are aware but this German officer met his death with the officers and men of the Camel Riders during the Katya action 23 April 1916.

Kress in his book mentions the Adjt of the Flieger Abteilung 300 (Pascha or Jasta 300) when the force attack the Romani Area in April they had the Commander and his Adjt with it (as Jatsa 300 was at El Arish at that time).

During the fighting Kress said that OberLt Heinrich Soyter, the Bavarian Adjt, mounted of a Cavalry Camel, took command of the Camel Sqn and joined the attack and fell shot to the head.

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Re: Sureya Bey, Commander of the Camel Corps

Postby Tosun Saral » 12 Jun 2017 10:34

Turkish Army Engeneer 1st Lt Musa Şaret ( Moşe Sharet) the 2nd Minister President of Israil.

A group of reserve officers of the Turkish Army. All jewish citizens
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