Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

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Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby stevebecker » 10 Apr 2017 01:00

Mates,

Do you have any details on the Ottoman units facing the advance around Esdud 10 Nov 1917, accounts record;

"The Scots found that the Australians were already at Esdud, but were pressed hard by the Turks from a line in the hills east of Esdud, preventing the cavalry from watering their horses from “the wells of Kummam” (Again, a strange name). The British HO states that the officer commanding the 157th brigade: “Br.-General Hamilton Moore rode forward and met Br.-General Cox, commanding the 1st L.H. brigade, who informed him that Sdud has been captured, but the Turks were established on a ridge 3 miles to the east, preventing the Australians watering their horses at some cisterns east of the Wadi el Majma”. "

Does the Turkish Offical war history mention the Ottoman troops fighting in this area and there accounts of the fighting there?

Cheers

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby stevebecker » 16 Apr 2017 02:00

Mates,

So far British accounts place the 3rd Div around this area.

It was part of the 22nd Corps along with the 7th Div and the 53rd Div.

But The maps I have (poor copies?) only show the 3rd and 7th Div's, while the 53rd Div appears has withdrawn out of the area by the 10 Nov 1917.

The British claim the 3rd Div put up a delaying action in the hills to the north of Esdud which had to be over came.

So far no other details

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 16 Apr 2017 14:41

Hüseyin Hüsnü Emir Erkilet "Yıldırım" p.198
Nov 11th
Nothing has happened as important till evening on the front of 8th Army. It was seen a few enemy infantry companies againts the 22nd AC front. It is seen also a few enemy cavalrt at Essud. At 18:15 20th AC informed that 2 enemy CRs and a 2 I battalions were marching to Nebi Yunus.

p.206
At 11:00 22nd AC informet that an enemy CR and a artillery battalion was marching from Essud towards northwest. And another marching colonne was arrived to Barka departing from Essud,which both were in hurry to attack. 1-2 I battalions were preparing to attack at El Batanü'l Garbiye

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby stevebecker » 17 Apr 2017 01:00

Tosun,

Many thanks, I will pass this on,

Do you still have a copy of the map showing this action from the TOH (official History) as the one I have is a poor copy?

Does this history show what Ottoman units were in action by the 22nd Corps during this date?

The British record this on that action;

"From the 52nd Divisional History:
"The Turks forming the bulk of the enemy army were tall and sturdy Anatolians, filled with the fiercest religious hatred of the infidels opposed to them, and their commanders could generally depend on their delivering counter-attacks with the most reckless courage. A wounded Turkish officer, afterwards captured, stated that the enemy troops engaged consisted of the remains of the infantry of the 3rd Turkish Division. Of this force, about 600 infantry with six machine-guns were firing from the main ridge, whilst another 400 or 600 with six more machine-guns were in support on the slope behind.....  One company of the battalion to which the captured officer belonged had lost about sixty killed or wounded"

Cheers

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 17 Apr 2017 11:19

Nov 12 situation
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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

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Nov 13th
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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 17 Apr 2017 11:36

Yıldırım p.198
8th Army on Nov 11st at 11.30
22nd AC:
- 7th Div. on the hills north of Barka to Yazur.
- 3rd Dicv. At reserve at northwest of Başit
- 54th Div. 0n the hills of El Mesmiye

No contact was obtained from 53rd and 54th Divs of 20th AC. which were positioned at south of El Tire.

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby stevebecker » 18 Apr 2017 01:00

Tosun,

Again many thanks.

Hope you voted yesterday.

Sorry about the outcome.

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Re: Fighting at Esdud Palestine 10 Nov 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 18 Apr 2017 09:37

Dont worry Steve, With 40 million well educated Turks no evil can harm us. This is happening because of a wrong voting systeme. Turkey is an ever floating cork never sinks. No one will be able turn Turkey out off his bright way of civilization. :) cheers


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