German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

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German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby stevebecker » 27 Jul 2017 01:21

Mates,

Sorry if we have mentioned this before, but I was after any German officer who maybe that shown on Ismet Bey (Inönü) 3rd Corps staff, as per the the Light Horse movie sent by Kress?

I can not find who any such officer could be, while I am sure a German officer would have been with the 3rd Corps, I can not find any who it could be to be captured (as per the movie)?

I can find no German officer captured on the 31 Oct 1917 either?

While the movie takes many false hoods via the Ottoman and German Army, like an German officer commanding the Infantry and the Battery, which I found is incorrect, an officer at Staff would be more likely?

Any ideas who the German officer was in 3rd Corps staff during this date?

Cheers

S.B

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Re: German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 11 Oct 2017 12:10

There was a LtCol Willmer Bey C of 24th Div.3rdAC. on sept. 1917.
willmer Bey commanded 24th div. under 15th AC 7th A during =ct-Dec 1917.
On Jan 1918 LtCol Böhme Bey was made C of 24th Div.
I have no more information about Willmer Bey

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Re: German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby stevebecker » 12 Oct 2017 01:35

Tosun,

Yes your right, I also can't find any thing on him?

Wilmer Wilhem LtCol CO 24th Div 1914-18

Who I also show as;

Willmer Wilhelm LtCol to Col Region commander Anafartalar to comdr 5th Div 8-15

I also show this man but no details on him also?

Wilmer LtCol 146th Regt 10-18

The 3rd Ottoman Corps is an interesting formation while most of the Ottoman officers are well recorded, the German officers on the Staff are not?

Chief of Staffs

LtCol Fahrettin (Altay) 1914-15 and Maj Ohrili Kemal shown Asim Bey (Gündüz) shown Maj Naci (Tinaz) dates? to Maj Sefik Avni (Özüdogru) 1917 to Maj Ahmet Zeki (Soydemir) 1918

Staff officers

Chief of Operations - Maj Kemal (Ohrili) 1915 Staff officers Capt Remzi (Yigitguden) & Maj Ziya & Capt Nazmi (Kurar) 1915 to Maj Naci (Tinaz) Bey 1916/17 Chief of Engineers - Maj Ziya Bey Staff Officer - Capt Halit (Akmansu) Bey 1914 Capt Ali Remzi Efendi (Yigitgüden) 1915 & Capt Burhatettin Bey ADC to Esat - Lt Baki Efendi (Vandemir) deputy - LtCol Yakup Sevki (Subasi) Nov 1915 to March 1916

I still have not found who the Artillery commander was in that Corps at any dates?

Cheers

S.B

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Re: German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby Tosun Saral » 12 Oct 2017 11:29

Col. Görgülü also dont mention a name in his book as artillery commander.

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Re: German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby Glenn2438 » 13 Oct 2017 20:04

Steve, Tosun,

Oberstleutnant Wilhelm Willmer was a Bavarian active cavalry officer. His service records are shown on ancestry.de. This is a scan of the pertinent section regarding his service in the Ottoman theatre of operations. As can be seen, he was commander of the 11th, 24th and 60th Infantry Divisions. Throughout the war his substantive rank in the Bavarian Army was that of a Major (7.1.14). He was promoted to brevet (Charakterisierter) Oberstleutnant on 24.1.21.

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Re: German officer at Beersheba Oct 1917

Postby stevebecker » 14 Oct 2017 02:45

Glenn,

Thank you interesting.

Ottoman records don't show his command of the 11th Div and 60th Div during these peroids?

Wlimer is shown commander 5th Div

Col Hasan Basri Bey -
LtCol Wilmer (G) 8-15 -
Col Küçük Refet Bey (Refet the jr not Bele) 10-15 -
Col Ali Fuat (Cebesoy) (1916 to 10-17) -
LtCol Sitki Bey (Üke) 10-17
shown LtCol Mehmet Kenan (Dalbasar) dates?

11th Div

Col Rafet or Refet Bey (1915) -
LtCol Abdürrezzak Bey 9-15 - (shown German records LtCol Wilmer (G) 9-15 to 9-16)
Col Refet Bey - 1916 to 1-17 to
LtCol Kazim Bey (Sevüktekin) - 1-17 to
LtCol Hasan Mümtaz Bey dates?

24th Div

shown LtCol Vehbi Bey (Kipcak) 1914 to
Col Ali Remzi Bey - dates?
Col Wilhem Wilmer (G) 7-17 - (German records show 9-16 to 12-17)
Col Böhme (G) 10-18? -
LtCol Lütfü Bey dates?
shown Oct 1918 Allied reports LtCol Serid Sirri or Sirrey Pow 1918 (possibly Maj Sirri Bey 2nd Regt)

60th Div (formed May 1917)

Mehmet Hulsu or Husnu or Hulusi Bey (Conk) - possibly 5-17 to ?
(shown German records LtCol Wilmer 12-17 to 6-18)
LtCol Sukru Ali Bey - dates?
Col Kâzim Fikri (ozalp) 1918 -
LtCol Mehmet Cemil (Uybadin) 1920

Cheers

S.B


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