5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

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5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by stevebecker » 02 Jul 2019 03:05

Mates,

" 13 Temmuz 1918'de bir AEG-C/IV keşif uçağı ile Sakız adasındaki düşman durumunu keşfe giden Rasıt Üsteğmen Hüseyin Hüsnü ve Pilot Teğmen Orhan keşif sırasında Yunan topçusunun ateşiyle ada kıyısına düşürülmüştü. Rasıt yüzerek kendisini kurtarmış uçak denize dalmış olduğundan pilot boğularak şehit olmuştu. Yunanlılara esir düşen Rasıt Üsteğmen Hüseyin Hüsnü çok fena karşılanmış ve işlem görmüş, sonunda bir fırsatını bularak adadan kaçmış ve Türk topraklarına ulaşmayı başarmıştı."

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On July 13, 1918, an AEG-C / IV reconnaissance airplane, who was on the island of Chios, was shot down by the Greek artillery during the reconnaissance. As a result, the pilot had drowned and was martyred. The first lieutenant Hüseyin Hüsnü, who was captured by the Greeks, was treated very badly and was treated, he finally escaped from the island and managed to reach the Turkish territory.

Do we know who the Turkish pilot was?

I know

Hüseyin Hüsnü observer Airforce 5th Sqn 9-17 Lt PoW 13-7-18 escaped reported shot down and pilot killed in AEG C4 by Greek AA Flak over Chios Island

The Ottoman members has been hard to find, but these are known, but little details on them;

Ludomil Antoni Rayski Transport Fortress Canakkale 3-15 to pilot Airforce 6 Sqn Gallipoli to 5th Sqn at Izmir Lt 2xWIA (1892–1977) a Polish engineer, pilot, military officer and aviator post war Polish-Rusco War in 1919-22 later WWII Poland 1939 to Maj RAF 1940-45
Zekeriya Bey pilot Airforce 5th Sqn 3-17 Lt
Rifat Bey pilot Airforce 5th Sqn 3-17 Lt
Izzettin Bey pilot Airforce 5th Sqn 3-17 Capt
Sabri Bey observer Airforce 5th Sqn 3-17 Lt

Germans with this Sqn is also slow;

Budaecke Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk reported shot down British plane 30-3-17 near Izmir
Drebüss Vfw pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 12-17
Faller (Feller) Arthur Lt to Capt pilot Airforce 1st Sqn 5-15 shown Jasta 300 5-16 to OC 2nd Sqn 4-17 to OC 5th Sqn 3-17 to Kommdr de Flieger 5th Army date? Izmir ve Çanakkale'de 5. Ordu'da Uçak Bölüklerinin sonraki komutani (Izmir and Çanakkale'da 5th Army Aircraft Company's next commander) Tayyare Boluk 1915-17 from IR 169 - Mesopotamia 1915 replaced Von Aulock after death to Izmir date? to Kommdr de Flieger 5th Army from Kettenbeil date? mentioned by Guhr in his book
Fannenstiel Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn 1-16 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 9-17 to OC 5th Sqn 12-17 from Capt Faller at Izmir 1916 first OC at Smyrna
Gretzer Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 12-17
Netsof Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 3-17
Reiski Lt observer Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 3-17
Sehrayder Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 3-17
Sienekker Lt observer Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 9-17
Vendelmut Lt pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 3-17
Wahrseheit Vfw pilot Airforce 5th Sqn Tayyare Boluk 3-17

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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by stevebecker » 03 Jul 2019 10:35

Mates,

I was doing some checking and may of found the man?

Ibrahim Orhan Bey pilot Airforce 1st Sqn observer 1915 to pilot (date?) Lt KIA 13-7-18 accident? (1893 Istanbul - KIA 13-9-18) from Galatasaray graduated in 1912 reported obsver in Albatros C1 with Pilot Lt Ali Riza shot a French plane crashing between Intepe and Cape Helles 30-11-15 reported KIA 13-7-18 his plane crusted to sea near the island Semadirek or near Sakiz Adasi

Was he in the 5th Sqn by 1918?

And was near the island Semadirek or near Sakiz Adasi, around the island of Chios?

Needs more checking

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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by stevebecker » 03 Jul 2019 23:16

Mates,

On checking we have two areas for his death, possibly from an accident?

Sakiz Adasi is the Island of Chios, which is off Izmir

Semadirek Island is one of three main islands off the Gallipoli Peninsular, the others are Lemnos and Imbros

So two very different areas, which one is right?

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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by Tosun Saral » 08 Jul 2019 11:44

Observer/navigator Hüseyin Hüsnü Efendi (Bilge) in 1915-18
Major Hüseyin Hüsnü Bilge in 1932 Chief instructer of Observation/navigation of Turkish air force.
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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by Tosun Saral » 08 Jul 2019 12:13

Rasıt Yedek Subay İbrahim Orhan; eski Sadrazamlardan Tevfik Paşa’nın torunudur. Galatasaray Lisesi’ni bitirdikten sonra Fransa’ya giderek, Lyon Üniversitesi’nde kimya öğrenimine başlamıştı. Çok iyi yüzücü ve çok iyi motosiklet kullanıcısıydı. Osmanlı Devleti’nin Genel Seferberlik ilan etmesi üzerine, hemen askere yazılmış, Yedek Subay Talimgâhı’nda eğitimini tamamladığı sırada, kendi isteği ile hava sınıfına ayrılmış ve Ayastefanos Tayyare Mektebi’ndeki rasıt kursuna gönderilmiştir. Kursu tamamladıktan sonra, 1. Tayyare Bölüğü’nde rasıt olarak görev yapmaya başlamış ve 30 Kasım 1915 tarihindeki başarının amillerinden birisi olmuştu. Daha sonra Ayastefanos Tayyare mektebinde pilotluk eğitimine başlamış, uçuş eğitiminin devamını Almanya’da tamamlamış ve pilot olarak yurda dönmüştür. Haziran 1916 tarihinde Medine’de kurulan 3. Tayyare Bölüğü’ne atanmış ve burada iki yıla yakın görev yapmıştır. Haziran 1918 tarihinde İzmir/Seydiköy’de konuşlu 5.Tayyare Bölüğü’ne atanmıştır.
Pilot Teğmen İbrahim Orhan Bey, 13 Temmuz 1918 tarihinde Rasıt Üsteğmen Hüseyin Hüsnü Bey ile birlikte AEG5 numaralı AEG C.IV uçağı ile Sakız Adası’na keşif görevine çıktı. Sakız Adası üzerinde uçaksavar ateşi sonucu uçağın kanadı kopar ve uçak ile birlikte havacılar denize düştüler. Uçağa bağlı olmayan Rasıt Üsteğmen Hüseyin Hüsnü Bey uçaktan çıkmayı başardı ve Yunanlar tarafından fakat esir edildi. Uçağa bağlı olan pilot teğmen İbrahim Orhan Bey ise uçaktan kurtulmayı başaramayarak şehit oldu. Şehit Teğmen İbrahim Orhan Bey, Sakız Adası’ndaki Türk asıllı halkın yardımıyla Kara Ali Paşa’nın kabrinin yanına defnedilmiştir. Kabri halen oradadır. Tüm şehit havacı kahramanlarımız gibi gönüllerimizde yaşayacaktır.

Reserve Lt. Observer/Navigator İbrahim Orhan Efendi was grandson of Grandvezier Tevfik Paşa. After graduating from Galatasaray Liceum where he learned fluent french he went to France to study chemistry at Lyon Uni. As war brook out he enlisted the Ottoman turkish army. After trained at reserve officers training camp he voluntarily enlisted to air force. He was vhosen as observer and trained at Airplane School at Ayastefanos. After the training he was ransferred to 1st Airplane Company as observer. Then he wanted to be a pilot nd send to germany for piloting education.
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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by stevebecker » 10 Jul 2019 00:34

Tosun,

Interesting.

I notice when going throw the Turkish I do see the Pilots name that didn't come out in the translation for some reason?

"Pilot Teğmen Orhan keşif sırasında Yunan"

Pilot Lieutenant Orhan during the discovery of Greek

Which makes my idea of Ibrahim Orhan Bey on the right track.

So he was lost over Chios.

Always good to confirm these men.

I now can also cross off Orhan Bey with the 3rd Sqn, as they are the same man on my list.

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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by stevebecker » 10 Jul 2019 00:45

Tosun,

Do you have the same details on Hüseyin Hüsnü Efendi (Bilge)?

LIke Ibrahim Orhan Bey I show a man called Hüseyin Hüsnü Efendi with the 3rd Sqn (Tayyare Boluk)

But

Hüseyin Hüsnü Efendi pilot? Airforce 3rd Sqn 11-17 Lt Medina to Dera 1917

Possibly both men were sent to the 5th Sqn (Tayyare Boluk) from 3rd Sqn (Tayyare Boluk) June 1918?

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Re: 5th Tayyare Boluk Who was killed? 13 July 1918

Post by Tosun Saral » 10 Jul 2019 13:49

Pilot Lt. İbrahim Orhan Efendi (wrongly he is mentioned as Bey in the turkish text) and observer 2nd Ld Hüseyin Hüsnü Efendi (Bilge) was shot over Chios by greek artillery fire. Hüseyin Hüsnü saved himself by loosing his safety belt. But İbrahim Orhan couldnot and drowned. His mortal body was taken ashone by the turkish inhabitants of the Chios and buried by ther side of a Kara Ali Paşa.
I dont know more. ıf I learn I will contribute. cheers

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