Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

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Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by Oilking97 » 07 Feb 2020 22:18

Hey guys! Hope you are doing well :) I am writing to ask for some potential research help for a project! My friend and I are working on recreating a figure of a Turkish soldier from the Gallipoli battle, but we aren't sure exactly what the uniform would have been at that point in time. Would anyone be able to provide us with some information as to what the standard uniform and equipment would be and potentially some photos if you have them? I find Turkish history quite fascinating, and this is a passion project of mine, so I would like it to be as accurate as possible! Your help is much appreciated :)

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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by von thoma » 07 Feb 2020 23:06

I can recommend you the book "Ottoman Infantryman 1914-18 " by David Nicolle
It contains numerous illustrations and photographs, a very complete book on this subject.
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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by stevebecker » 07 Feb 2020 23:30

Mate,

Can I say you have to be careful here about what uniform you want to show.

Von Thoma has shown what many like to think an Ottoman soldier (and Officer) looked like, but in fact a soldier in the field never looked like that.

He was in many cases dressed in rags of his old uniform with a mixture of uniform types and head dress.

There is some debait how much this was in late 1915 as stores had started to arrive in greater amounts (Food and clothing) but how much got down to the common men is unknown?

If you saw the Russel Crowe Movie "The Well Digger" where the Ottoman soldiers make there attack in the first sceanes of the movie, you will see all types of uniforms along with civilian cloths. While I am unsure if the Ottoman Army was so clothed in late 1915, I know at the end of 1918 they were so clothed.

So what I am saying is be careful how you want to show your Ottoman soldier, in fansie dress or as a workmen

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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by Oilking97 » 11 Feb 2020 15:19

von thoma wrote:
07 Feb 2020 23:06
I can recommend you the book "Ottoman Infantryman 1914-18 " by David Nicolle
It contains numerous illustrations and photographs, a very complete book on this subject.
Thanks! I managed to get a copy of this. Just curious-how reliable are these books? I've seen numerous things on various forums that say some info in them is wrong!

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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by jwsleser » 11 Feb 2020 17:48

On the whole, the Ottoman Army units at Gallipoli were well armed and equipped at the start of the campaign. These units had not yet seen active service in the war, being held to protect Thrace and western Anatolia. As has been implied, over time the appearance of Ottoman soldiers would deteriorate as uniforms would wear out and not be replaced. Field repairs were common. However, fresh units arriving during the campaign would present a better appearance than those that have been fighting. Given this, the army would provide a very eclectic appearance at any one time.

The main differences would be headdress. The Arab units wore the keffiyeh while the Turks and other ethic groups wore the Kabalak (Enveriye) helmet. Some units had the cotton summer uniforms.
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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by stevebecker » 12 Feb 2020 00:48

Mate,

Jwsleser, makes a good point.

During the summer months the men were in lighter uniforms, while in the later months (Nov Dec 1915) was a bad winter, with heavy losses to the winter weather.

All sides froze, and flash floods caused many losses.

So the men tried to keep warm with what ever they could get.

As I said the Ottoman supply system had some trouble moving all types of things to the front, while some units had winter clothing, not all did, even if some supplies were arriving by late 1915.

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Re: Ottoman Army at Gallipoli Standard Uniform

Post by Tosun Saral » 15 Feb 2020 14:29

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