Turkish Artillery

[peeved]

EOT

[stevebecker]

Mate,

Many thanks for these interesting photos.

The Ottomans introduced a number of converted guns into Trench Mortars during 1917

We discussed this under the "Turkish Mortar units"

where I wrote

"Possibly right, as the prisoner, a Turkish soldier from the 102 TMB, mentioned they had two wheels and towed by a bullock.

When he mentioned Mantelli gun, I thought he may have refered to a 87mm Mantelli gun used as either a mountain or field gun, but that appears incorrect.

I am glad we now have an answer to the question of these old guns, I never put two and two together, always good to have a second pair of eyes"

These units are shown as;

101st TMB 102nd TMB 103rd TMB (each 6x 95mm motars) 104th TMB 105th TMB (unknown) 106th and 107th TMB (each 4x155mm motars) 113th TMB (6x 95mm mortars) 115th TMB (unknown) and 116th TMB (unknown) - reported lost during Beersheba Oct to Dec 1917 Cevad Bey mentions the number of guns that lost in the 2nd chapter of his report 103rd TMB (4 guns) 106th TMB (6 guns) 113rd TMB (4 guns) 115th TMB (1 gun) 116th TMB (4 guns)

Post 1917 these weapons appear to disappear from the Ottoman order of Battle, or I can't find them anywhere?

Why didn't the Germans send them the better Mineweffers types used in France, is not stated any where?

Cheers

S.B

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Does somebody have any information about the 10cm K18 gun in Turkish Army service during ww2?
Were these guns supplied to Turkey before World War II or during the course of it?

For the images, it seems that these guns were of a special version different from the German, transported in two separate loads despite being motorized

Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Nobody for my last question about the 10cm K18 ?

Well, here an image of a 7.5cm Krupp gun.
It seems that the Turkish had various different models of the 7.5cm Krupp gun : M1095-M1910-M1911

How is it possible differenciate between the different models ?

Image from Getty archive
Sturm78

[peeved]

From exp. eBay auction N:o 193312838471.

Markus

[CharlieC]

The early Krupp 75mm guns have a different breech opening arrangement compared to the later (after about 1907). The early guns used a screw
thread in the top of the breech (attached 1904 build date gun). The later guns used a gear drive on top of the breech block like a 77mm FK 96 n.A.

I've never seen a 1911 gun - there are none in Australia (afaik). The later Krupp 75mm guns had a thickened upper part of the breech. I've attached an image of Brazilian order gun from 1913 but I don't know if the 1911 order guns had this.

The two images of a 75mm in battery clearly show the screw thread on top if the breech making it one of the early guns.

Regards,

Charlie

[Sturm78]

Thnaks for your answer, CharlieC

This feature is quite difficult to see in most of the wartime photos, however

Regards
Sturm78

[Sturm78]

Hi all,

Does anyone know what exactly is the equipment in this image?
According to the caption, they are accessories for the Turkish M1930 Bofors mountain gun

Image from Ebay
Sturm78

[Airman27]

Hello. Do you know of any services as to how to restore the Turkish 8.7cm Krupp Feldkanone L/24 please?

We have one in the island of Rodrigues but it seems some parts are missing.

[stevebecker]

Mate,
Sorry no.
Most blokes who seam to restore them, are local groups who take up the callange
They are some who have done this on this site, who have left photos of other types of guns they restored.
since you live in Mauritius you may need to contact them.
I think I use to serve with some one from your island in the Austrailan Army during the 70's-80's.
We served in the Cavalry and his dad was some one big over there.
I remember going to some do in Western Aust when he was ambassidor
I maybe wrong, but I forget their name, so I am sorry for mentioning it.
S.B

[Tanzania]

Hello. Do you know of any services as to how to restore the Turkish 8.7cm Krupp Feldkanone L/24 please?

Hi Airman27,

maybee you can send a message to Ralph Lovett. He is a real gun restoration specialist.

https://www.lovettartillery.com/9cm._C_1873_Kanone.html

Good luck; - Let us know about the further results.
Cheers Holger

[CharlieC]

Remember these guns? The 95mm smooth bore fortress guns made by the Ottomans by using old 87mm field guns.
There are two in Australia, one at Quorn, SA and at Mt Morgan, Qld. There was a third allocated to Forbes, NSW but this
has disappeared. The gun at Mt Morgan was a mess for years but has been reassembled so that it now appears as it did
when it mounted as a fortress gun. The present appearance of the guns is shown in the attached images.
I've also added an image of four of these guns after capture.

Regards,

Charlie

[CharlieC]

A couple of questions which may be asked about the 95mm fortress guns are:
Who did the conversion from a field gun to a fortress gun?
What sort of field gun was used for the conversion?

The first question is the easiest to answer - the Mt Morgan gun has clear markings. The number "277" is on the right hand side of the axle, and the number "291" on the elevation gear - both of these are inscribed in Arabic numerals. "291" is also incised on the top of the barrel. The Quorn gun has a crudely stamped number "646" on the breech ring but no other markings are visible. My hypothesis is that these fortress guns were built by the Ottomans, perhaps in the Imperial Arsenal, using old and probably worn out field guns as a starting point.

The second question may have an interesting answer and I'll tackle it in a separate post.

The attached images are from the Mt Morgan gun.

[CharlieC]

The obvious answer to the question "who made the original field gun"? is the one most people would say - Krupp at Essen.

However, the Mt Morgan gun - which has some surviving markings on the breech ring was made in Carlsruhe (Karlsruhe today) in 1872.
The upper inscription on the breech ring says "Patent von ..." and the rest is obliterated. By chance I found a 75mm Broadwell mountain gun
from the same time period online in a US auction house website. This still has the complete Broadwell inscription and says "Patent von Broadwell & Co."

The shape of the breech block in the Quorn and Mt Morgan guns was a simple rectangular shape. At this time Krupp's breech blocks were a pronounced "D" cross section after the rectangular breech blocks failed in the Krupp C61 guns.

If true this suggests that Krupp wasn't the only supplier of field guns to the Ottoman Empire in the 1870-1880s - Broadwell supplied some too.

Regards,

Charlie

[stevebecker]

Mate,
As far as I am aware the convertions were done at the main Ottoman Arsenal in Istambul
As we talked about before they were to give the Ottoman field Armies some form of Trench mortar.
Since at that time the German Minewefers were not moblie, that was not taken up by the ottomans, so they made their own.
British documents state the Ottomans used an oxen to move these guns/mortars
As to what guns they were first converated I am no wiser.
S.B