The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

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The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Dann Falk » 01 Aug 2020 21:54

I found a German reference naming a hill kalmü. This is during fighting in Romania 1944. Any idea what kalmü is in English?

As I said, this could be a Turkish or Romanian word but I don't think its a German word..

Thanks in advance for any help.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Tosun Saral » 02 Aug 2020 09:14

Kalmü is not modern turkish (ottoman or Anatolian) has no meaning. sounds turkish but might be turcic tataric or centralasiatic turkish. Because Romania was many years under control of tatars turcic tribes and ottoman turks.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Dann Falk » 02 Aug 2020 19:04

OK...good information, thanks Tosun. This is the source I found.


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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by peeved » 02 Aug 2020 21:19

Judging by the Giurgesti location could be a Hungarian name in or around Transylvania. Google translate doesn't know Hungarian-to-English translation to kalmü but translates e.g. "kalmü kö" to "graveyard" and "kalmükö" to "Kalmyk people".

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Dann Falk » 02 Aug 2020 23:02

This is what was found in the German section.

There is no slang expression in German language for Kalmü.
AFAIK it is the short form for Kalmücke (Kalmyk).

The link Max was posting refers to 116. Pz. Division. The Division was formed out of remnants of the 16. Pz.Grn. Div. They led the greyhound as divisional sign. This Division reached the farest point East during Barbarossa campaign, crossing the geographical border to Asia in the Kalmyk Steppe, in September 1942 in a reconnaissance patrol to Astrachan.
There they picked up a greyhound, which was the mascot of the division from there on.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Tosun Saral » 03 Aug 2020 08:34

Markus has right. "kalmü kö" to "graveyard" and "kalmükö" to "Kalmyk people". Kalmuk,Kalmuck or Kalmyk are turcic people . Germans established 5000 men Kalmuk cavalry force.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Dann Falk » 03 Aug 2020 15:56

Kalmü = Kalmücke which refers to or suggests Kalmyk Steppe or people.

So hill 256 was named after the Kalmyk Steppe or people. They is why it shows up on old Soviet maps, and it has nothing to do with German divisions in WW II.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Tosun Saral » 04 Aug 2020 10:50

Most of the hills in Rumenia have still their turcic names such as Yumrukçal, Baba Dağ, Kirli Baba ect.

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Re: The Turkish or Romanian word kalmü

Post by Dann Falk » 04 Aug 2020 17:09

Very Good

I think the mystery has been solved.

Thanks to all for the help and great information.

Dann

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