Ottoman Signals units

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Ottoman Signals units

Post by stevebecker » 28 Sep 2023 22:41

Mates,

I was after any details on who what and how these units operated during the war.

Was there any studies by the Turks into there Signals units

The Ottoman Signals system seams a mixed during the war as Divisions seam to have Signals Sections while higher units have Signals Companies.

IE; The 1st Corps has the 1st Signals Company while the 1st Div has the 1st Signals Section

How did these sig units work

Did they change during the war?

When the Germans arrived, did the newer Signals equipment change these units

Also did the Germans and there Signals replay system all over the Empire change the Ottoman system?

Are they any names of Signals officers of some of these units

I notice the Handbook on the Turkish Army 1916, quotes each Company had six Marconi sets and a WT depot was set up at Geuz Tepe around 20 Sept 1915, other then that, it s all they give on Signals/Telegraphy units in the Ottoman Army?

Any insight into this area would be helpful
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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by Tanzania » 30 Sep 2023 08:29

stevebecker wrote:
28 Sep 2023 22:41
Mates,

I was after any details on who what and how these units operated during the war.

Was there any studies by the Turks into there Signals units
The Ottoman Signals system seams a mixed during the war as Divisions seam to have Signals Sections while higher units have Signals Companies.
IE; The 1st Corps has the 1st Signals Company while the 1st Div has the 1st Signals Section
How did these sig units work
Did they change during the war?
When the Germans arrived, did the newer Signals equipment change these units
Also did the Germans and there Signals replay system all over the Empire change the Ottoman system?
Are they any names of Signals officers of some of these units
I notice the Handbook on the Turkish Army 1916, quotes each Company had six Marconi sets and a WT depot was set up at Geuz Tepe around 20 Sept 1915, other then that, it s all they give on Signals/Telegraphy units in the Ottoman Army?

Any insight into this area would be helpful
S.B
Steven,

A rare topic; - I haven't read much about it either.
You already mentioned: "Handbook of the Turkish Army 1916" page - 85 -


I remember reading something about this in: "WAR BY REVOLUTION" by D.M.
McKale. But this concerns more the presence in Hedjaz, Asir and Yemen, and
less the general technical equipment in the Turkish army.


I think it makes sense to look in the direction of --> Marconi Wireless Installations.
For example, here's a start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ ... urkish_War


Or for sample here: `Türk Ordusu, Marconi Kablosuz Tesisatları 1914-1918

"Erol Köroğlu, Türk Edebiyatı ve Birinci Dünya Savaşı, 1914-1918:
Propagandadan ... 24 1901'de Gugliemo Marconi ilk Trans-Atlantik
kablosuz telgraf ..."
https://dergipark.org.tr/en/download/is ... file/76677


Cheers Holger
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palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by stevebecker » 02 Oct 2023 05:40

Cheers mate,
Thats the sets I was wondering about.
1. By the size, was a WT Section, one or two such radios, so was a WT Company of three or six sections?
2. As the radios changed during the war how did the formation of the WT Section and Company change
3. With such small sections how did they report to their HQ's and sub units in a Division or Corps
Many more questions but few answers in what little I could find on these units?
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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by Tanzania » 03 Oct 2023 06:14

stevebecker wrote:
02 Oct 2023 05:40
Cheers mate,
Thats the sets I was wondering about.
1. By the size, was a WT Section, one or two such radios, so was a WT Company of three or six sections?
2. As the radios changed during the war how did the formation of the WT Section and Company change
3. With such small sections how did they report to their HQ's and sub units in a Division or Corps
Many more questions but few answers in what little I could find on these units?
S.B
Steven,

I discussed this them with a colleague in a German forum 12 years ago. There were also several very useful links

Unfortunately, this German forum (panzerarchiv.de) had to be closed for reasons of `political correctness´ in 2018.

If I come across any further references, I'll let you know.

Regards Holger
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by Tosun Saral » 01 Apr 2024 18:45

The Ottoman Signals system seams a mixed during the war as Divisions seam to have Signals Sections while higher units have Signals Companies.

IE; The 1st Corps has the 1st Signals Company while the 1st Div has the 1st Signals Section
this is wrong.
Regiments had their own signal detachments.
Divisions had a Muhabere Bölüğü which is signal company (Bölük) . You wrote "Section" This is Bölük.(Mil: companyI Section is wrong translation.
Army Corps had a Muhabere Taburu which is signal battalion.
Army /Ordu) had a Muhabere Alayı which is Signal regiment.
This ststem is still on do today.

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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by stevebecker » 02 Apr 2024 07:23

Tosun,
Thank you
Its the problem with many Order of Battles and the change to English or German from Ottoman Turkish
The names of units are shown different then what you give.
But I can change what small units I have to their correct names, I hope.
As always nice to hear from you.

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Re: Ottoman Signals units

Post by Tosun Saral » 02 Apr 2024 14:01

Erkilet, p.329 in May 1917
20th AC had a wireless Bölük/company. 3 CO, 126 men and 88 animals
At HQ of 20th AC the were a horsed signal Squadron.
16th Div had a wireless squadron

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