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Post by Stauffenberg II » 04 Feb 2007 19:03

Hi!

I have downloaded the full pdf-Version (49 pages). First I would like to say "Congratulations" to Dr. Mete Soytürk from Kaiserslautern, Germany. I bow to him and admire his work.

This text seems to be some kind of master work for military science of German-Turkish relationship. I have tried to understand the text ... unfortunately without luck.

It´s a shame that this most appreciated contribution for military science is only available in Turkish if I understand correctly.

Let´s hope that future publications will be done in a major language with broad range in order not only to reach a minor amount of researchers in this topic but the whole, worldwide community of researchers.

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Re: Oberst Senftleben

Post by Stauffenberg II » 04 Feb 2007 20:09

If I understand correctly you are reseraching first names. Here is an available list of mine listing some major German recipients of the Iron Crescent. Maybe it is of help finding some first names of officers listed in Dr. Soytürk´s publication. It is showing quite a cream of the officer corps:

If any can tell me the first name of Senftleben, I would be most grateful. Senftleben went on to become Chief of Staff Army Weapons Office from 1925-1927.

Amsberg von (Joachim)
Arnauld de la Periere von (Lothar)
Badinski (Kurt)
Bartcky (Viktor)
Beck (Ludwig)
Beißwänger (Walter)
Beneckendorff und von Hindenburg von (Otto)
Berendt von (Richard)
Bergmann von (Walter)
Bieneck (Helmut)
Blaskowitz (Johannes)
Bock von Wülfingen (Ferdinand)
Bodenschatz (Karl)
Boehm(-Tettelbach) (Alfred)
Boettcher (Hermann)
Boetticher von (Friedrich), TO4x
Brand (Friedrich)
Brantner (Theodor), Austro Hungarian Armed Forces
Braun (Georg)
Büchs (Walter)
Bülowius (Karl)
Buffa (Ernst)
Bussche-Ippenburg Freiherr von dem (Erich) TM3x
Canaris (Wilhelm)
Carls (Rolf)
Clößner (Erich)
Cochenhausen von (Friedrich)
Coeler (Joachim)
Denecke (Erich)
Dönitz (Karl) TM4
Dohne (Gerhard)
Donat von (Hans)
Dransfeld (Eduard)
Edelbüttel (Gottfried)
Einsiedel von (Heinrich)
Endres (Theodor)
Erfurth (Waldemar)
Esebeck Freiherr von (Friedrich)
Falkenhausen von (Alexander) TO3x TM2x
Feige (Hans)
Fellgiebel (Erich)
Felmy (Helmut)
Fischel von (Hermann)
Fischer (Herbert) TM3x
Fleck (Emil)
Fritsch Freiherr von (Werner)
Gagern Freiherr von (Ernst) TO4 without Iron Crescent
Geyer (Hermann)
Gienanth Freiherr von (Kurt)
Gimmler (Wilhelm)
Gladisch (Walter)
Glasner (Johann), Austro-Hungarian Armed Forces
Goßler von (Konrad)
Groos (Otto)
Haehnle (Hermann)
Hammerstein-Equord Freiherr von (Günter)
Hanneken von (Hermann)
Hansen (Christian)
Hartmann (Otto)
Hartmann von (Alexander)
Haubenreißer Dr. med. (Walter)
Heilingbrunner (Friedrich)
Hell (Ernst)
Henning auf Schönhoff von (Ulrich)
Henrici Dr. (Waldemar)
Heye (Wilhelm) TO2x
Dr. med. Hippke (Erich)
Hirschberg Freiherr von (Anton)
Hochbaum (Johannes) TM3x
Holzhausen (Werner)
Hopff (Hermann)
Hoth (Hermann)
Irmisch (Günter)
Iwand (Friedrich)
Jacob (Alfred)
Jagow von (Walter)
Kanitz Graf von (Hans)
Kardorff von (Egon)
Kayser von (Hugo) TM3x without Iron Crescent
Keiner (Walter)
Keiper (Ludwig) TM4x
Kieseritzky (Gustav)
Kittel (Heinrich)
Koch(-Erpach) (Rudolf)
Koreuber (Friedrich)
Köstring (Ernst) TM3x
Kreß von Kressenstein Freiherr (Friedrich) TO2x TM2x
Krosigk von (Ernst)
Krüder (Ernst)
Kühne (Friedrich)
Kümpel (Otto) TM4x
Kuntze (Walter)
Leeb Ritter von (Wilhelm)
Lewinski von, gen. Manstein von (Erich)
Liebmann (Kurt)
Lindau (Eugen)
Lindemann (Ernst)
Lorenz (Hans Richard) TM3x
Lüdke (Erich)
Lützow Freiherr von (Kurt)
Marschall (Wilhelm)
Mayer Dipl. Ing. Dr. (Johannes)
Meindl (Eugen)
Meißner (Albrecht)
Mieth (Friedrich)
Model (Walter)
Mohr (Max)
Moosauer Dr. (Siegmund) TM3x
Moro Ing. (Friedrich), Austro-Hungarian Armed Forces
Muff (Wolfgang)
Müller (Vinzenz) TM5x
Münchau Dr. (Kurt)
Natzmer von (Wilhelm)
Naumann (Walter)
Neindorff von (Egon)
Neumann (Bruno)
Niebelschütz von (Günter) TM4x without Iron Crescent
Niedenführ (Günter)
Niedermayer Ritter von (Oskar)
Nordeck von (Wilhelm)
Oßwald (Erwin)
Petter (Erich)
Pfeiffer (Adolf) TO3x
Pflugradt (Benno)
Platen von (Axel)
Prager Ritter von (Karl)
Prittwitz und Gaffron von (Heinrich)
Puttkamer von (Alfred)
Raeder (Erich)
Reiche von (Ernst)
Reinhardt (Walter)
Rohde (Hans) TM4
Rohr von (Hans)
Rosenbusch (Georg)
Rümann (Wilhelm)
Ruith Ritter von (Adolf)
Rundstedt von (Gerd)
Rust (Bernhard)
Scherf (Albert Richard)
Schleicher von (Kurt)
Schmidt (Friedrich Traugott)
Schmidt (Rudolf)
Schrader von (Otto)
Schröder von (Ludwig)
Schroetter Dipl. Ing. (Josef)
Schulenburg von der (Winfred)
Schultheiß (Paul)
Schultze (Otto)
Schultzen Dr. med. (Wilhelm)
Schwabedissen (Walter)
Seeckt von (Hans) TO1x TM1x
Senftleben (…) TM2x
Seydlitz-Kurzbach von (Lothar)
Soldan (Erich) TO4
Speich Dr. (Friedrich)
Stahl (Friedrich)
Stiller (Berhard)
Studnitz von (Bogislav)
Stülpnagel von (Joachim)
Tittel (Hermann)
Tresckow von (Hans Udo)
Trotha von (Ivo), 1876
Tschunke (Erich)
Unruh von (Walter), GdI
Viebahn von (Max)
Vietinghoff von, gen. Scheel (Heinrich)
Vollard Bockelberg von (Alfred) TM3x
Wachenfeld (Edmund)
Waenker von Dankenschweil (Richard)
Weber (Erich)
Wedderkop von (Magnus)
Weichold (Eberhard)
Weiß (Walter)
Werth (Alexander) TM3x
Wetzell (Georg) TM3x
Wever (Paul)
Wever (Walter)
Wilberg (Helmut)
Wintzer (Heinrich)
Wirtz (Richard)
Wöllwarth (Erich)
Wolff (Ludwig) (geb. 1886)
Wulz (Hans)
Zeiß (Walter)
Zenker (Hans)
Zwengauer (Karl)

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Post by Bill Woerlee » 05 Feb 2007 03:41

I can only say thanks for the effort involved in putting together this list.

Cheers

Bill

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 05 Feb 2007 19:08

Here is a further list which can be found online:

http://politikcity.de/forum/showthread.php?t=706&page=4

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Post by Bill Woerlee » 05 Feb 2007 23:45

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G'day mate

Top notch reference there - thanks heaps.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 06 Feb 2007 23:37

Hans Guhr (Major General )
Major Hans Guhr commander of 2nd Battalion of the 4th Silezian Infantry Reg. Nr. 154 voluntered to fights at Turkish Front in 1916. He was made commander of 29th Caukasus Infantry Division and promoted to Turkish Lt. Col. He gegan his duty at the middle of August 1916. On November the 29th Div. reduced to 29th Reg. For that reason we became commander of 1st Divv. On September 1917 1st division was sended to Syrian Front.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 07 Feb 2007 13:53

SS Corkovado anchored at Karaköy Port of Istanbul which served as a hostel to German Officers during WW1

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Post by Peter H » 07 Feb 2007 14:14

Good info here.

Can anyone help with Stange?:

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Post by HFK » 07 Feb 2007 21:24

Stauffenberg II, Good afternoon. Senftleben's first name is Crolwin. Born in 1182. Apparently never promoted to rank higher than Major. Source Formationgeschichte & Stellenbesetzung 1815-1939. vol 1 page 763, and vol 4 (index) page 763. Regards, HFK

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Post by Tosun Saral » 07 Feb 2007 21:44

Stange:
According to Prof. Dr.Tank Staff Col.Ismet Görgülü " On Yıllık Harbin Kadrosu 1912-1922" (Personal of Ten Years Long War)

p.105 : Lt. Col. Stange Commander of Artillary Fortress Erzurum in 1914 [Görgülü got this information from German Lt. Col. Gurze's article translated into Turkish in Askeri Mecmua no 79, s.18 (Military Magazine Nr. 79, p.18)on 1931 "Büyük Harbte Kafkas Cephesindeki Muharebeler (Battles in Caucasus Front During Great War),

p.109: Units of North and South Wings
-Stange Detachment (Stange Müfrezesi) commanded by Lt. Col. Stange (This Müfreze was also known as 8th Inf. Reg.) Stange was nicknamede by Turks as İbrahim Bey [Görgülü got this information from "Gen. Fahri Belen "Birinci Dünya Harbinde Türk Harbi 1914 Yılı Hareketleri s.142 "Turkish War During WW1 Operation in 1914 p.142)
-Yakup Cemil Detachment (Yakup Cemil Müfrezesi) commanded by Capt. Yakup Cemil
-Bahattin Şakir Detachment (Bahattin Şakir Müfrezesi) : commander (?)
-Deli Halit Müfrezesi commanded by Maj. Halit Bey (Maj. Gen. Karsıalan, nickmaned as Deli/crazy)(He got the family name Karsıalan after the new civil refoms of Turkish Republic, which means The one who to Kars back)
-Fethi Bey Müfrezesi commanded by Maj. Fethi (This Müfreze was also known as 93th Inf. Reg.)
Görgülü's note: the last 4 Müfreze was bandes established by Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa (The Special Forces)

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Post by HFK » 07 Feb 2007 22:01

Stauffenberg, Correction. Born in 1882, and Vol 4, page 195. HFK

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Post by Chavusch » 07 Feb 2007 22:05

Dear Tosun

U r rite to call them as Spec. Forces but I guess the Teskilar-i Mahsusa is todays Nato`s Gladio like Mil&Civil staffed organization mostly dealed counter espionage and sabotages but mainly great wet jobs..< intel jargon for killings> .

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Post by Tosun Saral » 08 Feb 2007 09:06

The correct translation of Teşkilat-ı Mahsusa is "Special Organization"

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Post by Stauffenberg II » 08 Feb 2007 19:53

HFK wrote:Stauffenberg, Correction. Born in 1882, and Vol 4, page 195. HFK


HFK,

I am much obliged for this info. I only have Vol. 1 of this series and in Vol. 1 his first name is not mentioned with his entry at Heeres-Waffenamt.

Thanks again!

BR
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Post by Tosun Saral » 10 Feb 2007 09:33

Turkish Col. Hans Guhr say in his book that p.235
"On Nov.4th 1918 Feldmarshal Liman Pasha arrived with his doughters and adjutants at Haydarpasha Railway Station. I went to wellcome him with General von Lenthe and Maj.Lynker.... Each day 800 or 1000 German soldiers were arriving to Istanbul from various parts of Turkey. On Nov. 11st 1918 there were already 730 German officers and 9600 men in the camps of Haydarpasha and Moda. With this men a new "Reinforced Asian Corps" was founded under command of Lt.Col. Baron von Hammarstein who was commander of 146th German Inf. Reg."

TS's note: Haydarpasha is the main station of Bagdad Railway on the shore of Bosphrous. Moda is a districh on Asian side of Istanbul on the shore of Marmara sea.Moda is now a luxus district where rich Istanbuler living.

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