Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by Tosun Saral » 27 Aug 2019 13:06

Kapt de Zee? Kapitän zur See

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by Edward L. Hsiao » 28 Sep 2019 08:55

Does the Ottoman Navy had any monitors? That they were crew by Germans and Turks?

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by stevebecker » 30 Sep 2019 00:34

Ed,

I can't see any, but there were a number of old ships that were used for these tasks until Allied subs got some kills in, and that stopped much of that support fire?

Small numbers of German officers/seaman were placed on many Ottoman ships during the war to add technical add to the Fleet.

Like these few;

Fircks von Kapt-Lt Naval Turkish Torpedoboat "Demirhisar"
Firle Rudolph Kapt-Lt Naval liaison officer Turkish Destroyer "Muavenet" 1.Yarim Filotilla Komutanlari 1914
Mellenthin Hans-Joachim von ObLtzS to Kapt-Lt Naval CO Turkish torpedocruiser "Berk-i Satvet" & Turkish torpedoboat "Demirhisar" to UB 43 Pola Flotilla 1916 to UB 49 Pola/Mittelmeer II Flotilla 1917-18 to UB 120 Pola Flotilla 1918 U boat

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by AJK » 31 Jul 2020 02:55

It appears that German General der Kavallerie Georg von der Marwitz was promoted to the rank of General in the Ottoman Army on 30 June 1913. Can someone please provide a precision whether his rank was Ferik, or Birinci Ferik?

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by stevebecker » 31 Jul 2020 10:07

AJK,

Mate, I am sorry but I can't find any referance to him being in the Millitary Mission to Turkey in 1913 (Sanders Group of 42 officers)

Most don't say anything but the best is;

"He then served as chief of staff for the XVIII Army Corps, commander of the 1st Brigade of the Guards Cavalry and from 1911 as commander of the Third Division, with the rank of lieutenant-general. Finally, in 1913 he was appointed as inspector general of cavalry.

At the start of the First World War Marwitz commanded a cavalry group operating in Belgium. His role was to advance ahead of the First and Second Armies".

As a Cavalryman myselve There are a number of Horse Soldiers with Sanders;

I show;

Frese von Capt (Maj) Cav part Military Mission to Turkey under Von Der Goltz 1909 - Harp Akademilerinde Ögretmen 1. Ordu karargahinda subay (Teacher at military academies Officer at 1st Army headquarters) 1909- from Ulan Regt No 8 (not identified)? part Military Mission to Turkey under Von Der Goltz 1909

Kirsten Lucas Maj (LtCol) Cav Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei unit 3rd Army 1914/15 Caucasus Sivas'ta 1. Süvari Alayi Komutani Bagimsiz süvari tugayinin Komutani (Commander of 1st Cavalry Regt in Sivas Commander of independent cavalry brigade) - shown pre war CO 1st Ottoman Cav Regt to Inderpendant Cav Bde at Dardenelles 1914-16 (born 1874 in Crimmitschau KIA 10-12-17) during a reconnaissance of the front line near Warneton from Ulanenen-Regiment 21 received the Ritterkreuz of the Militär-Sankt-Heinrichs-Orden in 1901 for the China Expedition RTG to IR 103 during the Battle of the Somme near Estrées and Soyécourt 8-16 to CO 177th (12th Royal Saxon) Infantry (32nd Div) Western Front shown in Klaus Wolf's Book

Lauffer (LaufenFritz von) Maj (LtCol) Cav Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei Suvari Subaylari binicilik okulu Komutani Filistin'de Istihbarat Subayi (Suvari Subaylari riding school Commander at Haydarpasa 1914 to Intelligence Agent in Palestine) attach Canel Expedition 2-15 shown wird wohl noch in dem Band; Der Weltkrieg Band 9 in der Fußnote auf Seite 15 aufgeführt. Das Werk steht aber derzeit hier nicht zu Verfügung. 1914-16 (1868 to 1941) Wurttemberg Military Mission 1914 expedition against the Suez Canal 1915 mentioned in book by Kress (not identified)

Prigge Erich Capt Cav (Maj) Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei ADC to Von Sanders 5th Army 1915 - Süvari Subay okulunda Komutan Askeri
Heyet Baskaninin emir subayi (Commander Military Board at Cavalry Officer's School) 1914-16 from Rittmister Ulan Regt No 4 (not identified)?

Schroeder Capt Cav Rittmeister Military Mission to Turkey unknown

Veit Maj Cav part Military Mission to Turkey under Von Der Goltz 1909 1909-

But I'll keep looking.

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Re: Full German Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by AJK » 31 Jul 2020 15:35

Hi Steve,

Thanks very much for your comprehensive reply. I too wondered about his supposed Ottoman promotion, given his appointment in 1913. I suspect that my source erred in conferring him this promotion.

Regards,

AJK

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