Turkish Artillery

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Turkish Artillery

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Post by Tosun Saral » 09 Oct 2006, 19:19

Dear Nuyt, Here are 2 pictures of Turkish artillary in 1921 just before the Battle of Inonu's.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 09 Oct 2006, 19:25

Turkish Artillary in 1928. The two boys sitting on the gun are my older friends Prof. Dr.Bozkurt Guvenc and Alp Kaya Guvenc. Their father late Major Geneneral Lutfu Guvenc was my fathers superior at Department of History of The Turkish General Staff. My late father Major General Ahmet Hulki Saral was director of Military Museum.
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Post by The Edge » 09 Oct 2006, 21:57

First picture: Schneider M.06/09 mountain guns. 76mm caliber (ex-Russian) or 75mm caliber (ex-Greek) guns?
Second picture: Skoda M.15 mountain guns.
Third picture: Krupp M.03 or 03/10 field guns.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 10 Oct 2006, 10:44

It can be a Russian gun. Because The Kemalist Movement got aids from Bolsechewic Russia during the War of Independance, or that Russian gun could be taken prisoner in the East Front during WW1

It could not be Greek gun. Because Turks were fighting againts Greeks in War of Independance. Greeks could buy such a gun from the producer also.

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Post by The Edge » 10 Oct 2006, 12:28

I think also that Russian option is more plausible - Greeks bought not many Schneider M.06/09 mountain guns (32 or 36) - and they already used them in three wars before 1919! Bulgarians captured a number of them, so small number of these guns was still available to be (eventualy) captured by Turks in 1919-22 war. (However, there is something called 75M Schneider "Mle 15" - M.06/09 export guns finished for France in 1915. David Lehmann told me this model was never used by French Army, so they went to some allied nation - I suspect Rumania, but Greece is also possible. One thing is sure - most of mountain guns, supplied to Greece by France in 1917-18, were 65mm Mle 06s.)

I posted two photos of Turkish guns in http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109253

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thanks

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Post by nuyt » 10 Oct 2006, 20:59

for those pictures and IDs, I'll link this page from Overvalwagen Forum...
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Post by Tosun Saral » 11 Oct 2006, 00:11

Turkish refabricated gun ready for battle of Great attack on Aug.28th 1922.
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Post by The Edge » 11 Oct 2006, 09:40

Nuyt put me as co-author at "Overvalwagens"... not fair. :oops: Now I must deserve this somehow... 8-)

My http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=108523 have three photos of Turkish 10cm Skoda vz. 16/19 at the start of the topic (probably from 1925-1928 period).

Another donation: Turkish 9cm (87mm) Krupp cannon, still used 1912-22 for combat, later as training weapon
(probably M.86/97 model - modernized for smokeless powder).
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well

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Post by nuyt » 11 Oct 2006, 18:29

The Edge, I think you have to earn it a bit more... 8-)
It's by far not enough :lol:

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Post by The Edge » 11 Oct 2006, 22:24

First I must correct myself :oops: - first picture shows TURKISH Schneider mountain guns (our new valuable mamber gave some data I didn't knew: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=109530 )

About last Tosun's photo - it's Krupp 15-cm sFH-13 (Lang) 8-)
(see: http://www.landships.freeservers.com/sFH13.htm - there is a story why some of these guns had to be "refabricated" often)

BTW - we in Serbia also use word "top" for "canon" (or "artillery piece" in general) :wink:

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Post by Tosun Saral » 12 Oct 2006, 14:03

Top is a Turkish word for kanone.
Topçu is artillarist
For more information http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=107626

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Post by Tosun Saral » 13 Oct 2006, 19:50

There is a Schneider in the garden of old Turkish National parliament. At 66 years of age I became an artillarist for our friends in Axis forum.
Iam not an expert but this gun have gummi-covered wheels.This must be a post WW1 gun. The WW1 guns had iron wheels. Am I right?
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Post by Tosun Saral » 13 Oct 2006, 20:05

more images with my older son Ahmet Saral.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 13 Oct 2006, 20:13

more images
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Great job!

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Post by nuyt » 13 Oct 2006, 22:06

Tosun Pasha!

You are doing a great job here with these pictures! Thank you and your son...

I will post a few of this pics on The Overvalwagen Forum with the other Turksih artilillery pictures if you allow me.


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