Turkish Artillery

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CharlieC
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 01 Apr 2011 00:11

I think it's the 24cm M98 Morser - fairly short range howitzer firing a 133kg projectile. The howitzer weighed 9.2 tons and was broken down into 4 loads for transport. Although the loads could be moved by horse teams it was more usual to move
the gun on vehicles - hence the "automob." description. It wasn't a particularly good gun - had fairly short range (6500m) and could only be fired at high elevation angles. More at http://www.landships.info/landships/art ... r_m98.html.

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Charlie

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Osman Levent » 01 Apr 2011 02:55

Many Thanks
Osman Levend

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 01 Apr 2011 14:12

The attached images are from a 12cm M1892 howitzer captured by the Light Horse.

The barrel markings appear to be (from the top)

numero 19 - gun number #19

Tughra of Sultan Abdulhamid II ?

date 1322 - 1906

The script on the breech ring of the gun I have no idea what it means - anyone help?

Regards,

Charlie
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Osman Levent » 03 Apr 2011 00:58

The script on the Breach reads "top hâne i âmire"; i.e. the Imperial Cannon House. This is the Old Foundry built during the 16th Century. It must be the Toughra of Abd el Hamîd the Second since he reigned until 1908.
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 03 Apr 2011 06:08

Thanks Osman.

I'm gradually building up a database of inscriptions and meanings so I will be able to interpret the inscriptions without having to ask "dumb" questions all the time.

I've attached a couple of images of the 12cm howitzer at Manilla - it's in fairly good condition.

Regards,

Charlie
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Osman Levent » 03 Apr 2011 15:59

No problem Charlie, you are not alone amongst those who ask "dumb" questions. I, for one; am an old member of that august ! congregation since in order to make head or tail out of my studies about Postal Services in the Ottoman Empire, I had to learn Russian, Greek and Hebrew Alphabets. You should see the questions I put to friends who are fluent in those languages. I always manage to draw some respectful albeit barely covered smile.
Here's one for you about the piece in Manila. I saw an inscription in front of the gun but I cannot read it being so small. Is there a possibility to find out more since I'm most intrigued about an Ottoman gun from 1906 under the sunny skies of the Philippines.
Best Regards, Osman Levend
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Tosun Saral » 03 Apr 2011 21:15

Osman Levent wrote:The script on the Breach reads "top hâne i âmire"; i.e. the Imperial Cannon House. This is the Old Foundry built during the 16th Century. It must be the Toughra of Abd el Hamîd the Second since he reigned until 1908.
Best Regards, Osman Levend
This means that it is a Turkish made gun

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 03 Apr 2011 21:49

I should have added the important qualifier NSW (New South Wales) to the location. Manilla is a small town in Northern New South Wales on the Namoi River. I don't know why the town shares a name with the capital of the Phillipines.

I've attached an image of the plaque. I didn't want to because of its inaccuracy. There is also a German MG 08 machine gun beside the gun.

Regards,

Charlie
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by ole nikolajsen » 05 Apr 2011 12:35

I found these two photos on facebook, showing Turkish artillery!
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Tosun Saral » 05 Apr 2011 20:21

This information written on the plakette is wrong because no russian char even sold guns to Ottoman Turkey because they were fiercly fighting since 1800. During the reign of Sultan Abdulhamid we had a great Turco-Russo war of 1877-78. Russian only supported Turkey during Turkish War of Liberation in 1919-22 with money and military weapons. We were defeated againts the Russians in 1877-78 war. We wanted help of Great Britain. But they had their own desires on Turkish lands. For That reason Turkey allied with germany. No Russian guns.

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 06 Apr 2011 00:45

That's why I didn't post an image of the plaque in my first post on the Manilla, NSW gun - the text about the Turkish gun is rubbish.

This plaque is an example of why we're working on an Australian register of surviving guns. At least the guns will be identified correctly.

Attached is an image of a Turkish Krupp 75mm gun in an unlikely place - it's in Lahore, Pakistan. The gun is a late model 75mm, possibly a Model 1909 or 1911. I found it by chance with a Google search.

Regards,

Charlie
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by nuyt » 07 Apr 2011 20:58

Amazing, you guys just keep goiing! Wow....

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Tosun Saral » 08 Apr 2011 16:27

Hello Nuyt old freiend How are you? :D

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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by CharlieC » 11 Apr 2011 01:05

I spotted this 8.7cm Krupp gun on the forum. The gun is at Bloemfontein in South Africa. I think the build date on the gun is 1303 (1887) and the inscription at the top of the breech ring looks like "fridrih krup" or Friedrich Krupp. There is a small inscription under this which I don't recognise - help?

I think the gun might be a C80 - a C73 with some improvements.

Regards,

Charlie
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Re: Turkish Artillery

Post by Osman Levent » 11 Apr 2011 22:11

Charlie;
I believe it reads "esin" i.e. Essen.
Best Regards, Osman Levend

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