Turkish Artillery

Discussions on the final era of the Ottoman Empire, from the Young Turk Revolution of 1908 until the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923.
Post Reply
eppanzer
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: 14 Jan 2006, 22:32
Location: Lithuania

Re: Turkish Artillery

#241

Post by eppanzer » 23 Jul 2011, 07:41

Had the Turkish Army buy artillery pieces from Soviet Union in the 1930s? Some French WWI made canones? Thanks in advance

eppanzer

Osman Levent
Member
Posts: 139
Joined: 17 Sep 2010, 15:40

Re: Turkish Artillery

#242

Post by Osman Levent » 23 Jul 2011, 22:32

Eppanzer,
I'm not sure if the Turkish Army had bought and artillery from the Soviet Union but from what I remember from my father who was an Artillery man; the most common pieces were Swedish Bofors pieces.
Best Regards, Osman Levend


CharlieC
Member
Posts: 170
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 06:47
Location: Australia
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#243

Post by CharlieC » 28 Jul 2011, 14:12

Just received some images of the C73/80 at Mt Perry, Queensland. I had expected markings in Turkish script showing a gun number, build date, etc. The markings are quite puzzling - no build date or gun number in Turkish script. The only markings appear to be "Fried. Krupp Essen" in Turkish script on the top of the breech ring and the number "648" stamped on top of the breech in Roman script. There appears to be no build date on the barrel or breech.

Could this be a replacement barrel?

Regards,

Charlie
Mt_Perry_C80.jpg
Mt_Perry_C80.jpg (119.55 KiB) Viewed 1810 times
Mt_Perry_brrech_ring.jpg
Mt_Perry_brrech_ring.jpg (106.29 KiB) Viewed 1810 times
Mt_Perry_breech_top.jpg
Mt_Perry_breech_top.jpg (89.26 KiB) Viewed 1810 times

Osman Levent
Member
Posts: 139
Joined: 17 Sep 2010, 15:40

Re: Turkish Artillery

#244

Post by Osman Levent » 28 Jul 2011, 20:40

Charlie,
I believe this is a very good example concerning the great variety of Ottoman pieces used during First World War. It could very well be a replaced cannon as discussed earlier or it could also be one the pieces used by the fully German Asienkorps also known as Pascha II which had operated between Azzoun and Nablous towards the end of the war. If you could find out about where it was captured, we could perhaps have a better idea about its provenance.
Best Regards, Osman Levend

CharlieC
Member
Posts: 170
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 06:47
Location: Australia
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#245

Post by CharlieC » 29 Jul 2011, 02:43

Unfortunately the AWM records don't say where or when it was captured. Guns without a known capturing unit often came from a pool of surrendered guns at the end of the war.

I'm not sure many Germans troops would have had current training on the C73 in 1918 - it used the old arc sight rather than the more modern panoramic sight. The C73/80s were still being used by third line units (Landsturm) in Germany during WW1 but the first line and reserve units were using more modern guns.

The barrel probably had been processed through the Imperial Arsenal since it had the manufacturer's name inscribed in Turkish (Arabic) script.

Regards,

Charlie

CharlieC
Member
Posts: 170
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 06:47
Location: Australia
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#246

Post by CharlieC » 08 Aug 2011, 08:32

I've written up how to interpret the Arabic markings on WW1 Turkish artillery. I hope it will help English speakers
to make sense out of the markings on the old guns.

My special thanks go to Osman and Tosun for all their assistance with the inscriptions.

http://landships.info/landships/artille ... kings.html

Regards,

Charlie

Osman Levent
Member
Posts: 139
Joined: 17 Sep 2010, 15:40

Re: Turkish Artillery

#247

Post by Osman Levent » 10 Aug 2011, 17:36

Great work Charlie !
And many thanks acknowledging our humble assistance.
Best Regards, Osman Levend

Tosun Saral
Member
Posts: 4079
Joined: 02 Nov 2005, 20:32
Location: Ankara/Turkey
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#248

Post by Tosun Saral » 10 Aug 2011, 22:40

and Tosun

jony663
Member
Posts: 25
Joined: 06 May 2009, 22:20

Re: Turkish Artillery

#249

Post by jony663 » 05 Nov 2011, 23:31

I am interested in this mountain gun.
7cm Gebirgsgeschütz M 1890

Are there any references to were it was used or
were I can find images of it?

Jonathan

CharlieC
Member
Posts: 170
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 06:47
Location: Australia
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#250

Post by CharlieC » 07 Nov 2011, 09:32

Are you sure the 7cm M1890 Gebirgskanone was used by the Ottoman Army? The lists of imported guns don't seem to have this particular gun.

Certainly the 7.5cm Krupp M1893 Gebirgskanone was imported and built under licence by the Imperial Arsenal.

Regards,

Charlie

eppanzer
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: 14 Jan 2006, 22:32
Location: Lithuania

Re: Turkish Artillery

#251

Post by eppanzer » 09 Nov 2011, 20:51

A little more about artillery from the Soviet Union: 44 howitzers and 16 guns, 1800 rounds a piece, sold in 1926, 40 howitzers more in 1927. Dr. Kasparavičius A. Lithuanian Army in the political and diplomatic speculations of the Moscow (1920-1936), 1999, p. 32 (source - the protocols of the Bolshevik Party Central Committee meetings) :
http://www.lka.lt/EasyAdmin/sys/files/L ... som_80.pdf
Possible, the howitzers and guns were foreign made (British???)

CharlieC
Member
Posts: 170
Joined: 17 Jan 2010, 06:47
Location: Australia
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#252

Post by CharlieC » 02 Dec 2011, 00:57

Rare survivor - a 75mm Ehrhardt Gebirgskanone (mountain gun) at Roma, Queensland (480kms west of Brisbane). Not sure if its an M14 or M15 - both types were sold to Turkey. The AWM records say it was captured by the 5th Light Horse at Amman on 25th Sept 1918. It's in bad condition but I think it's the only one in Australia.

Image credit - Dave Scorer.

Regards,

Charlie
Ehrhardt_Gebirgskanone.jpg
Ehrhardt_Gebirgskanone.jpg (159.81 KiB) Viewed 1484 times

Tosun Saral
Member
Posts: 4079
Joined: 02 Nov 2005, 20:32
Location: Ankara/Turkey
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#253

Post by Tosun Saral » 30 Apr 2012, 19:33

Türkiye Cumhuriyeti 15/24 sm Ağır Obüs (Howitzer) Skoda Pilzen imalatı Namluda 1938, yatakta 1933 1500 kg
1500 Kg 15/24'er Heavy Houbitz Nr 122 produced by Skoda Pilzen (On the barrel 1938 No:122, on the bed 1933 no: 121) for Republic of Turkey.
Attachments
122.jpg
122.jpg (29.43 KiB) Viewed 1105 times
121.jpg
121.jpg (27.8 KiB) Viewed 1105 times
obus.jpg
obus.jpg (57.82 KiB) Viewed 1105 times

User avatar
infantry
Member
Posts: 115
Joined: 22 Feb 2007, 19:12
Location: Australia

Re: Turkish Artillery

#254

Post by infantry » 07 May 2012, 18:17

See how your Skoda howitzer looked like back in 1930s
Enjoy!
Attachments
IMG_0002.jpg
IMG_0002.jpg (77.42 KiB) Viewed 1080 times

User avatar
nuyt
Member
Posts: 1667
Joined: 29 Dec 2004, 14:39
Location: Europe
Contact:

Re: Turkish Artillery

#255

Post by nuyt » 10 May 2012, 13:42

infantry wrote:See how your Skoda howitzer looked like back in 1930s
Enjoy!
Great shot! Do you have more 1930s artillery pictures from Turkey?
Regards,
Nuyt

Post Reply

Return to “The end of the Ottoman Empire 1908-1923”