Turkish Artillery

[Ruhrpottpreusse]

Here is the clasp of a german 24cm gun (14.736 kg), used by the turkish army, probably a forteress gun in the Dardanelles

[Tosun Saral]

What i s this?

[Ruhrpottpreusse]

Hello!
Hard to say. I assume, it is a modified german field howitzer 149mm L/14. I miss the shields.
The only howitzers in the turkish army were this one and later the 150mm M13, but the later one had a different look.
I couldn´t find another foreign gun like this.
Do you have any infos about the photo? Is there something written on the reverse?

[Tosun Saral]

No sorry. I have seen such a gun first time in my life. Thats the reason why I asked for your help.

[Ruhrpottpreusse]

Well, because of they have "barrel-covers", I don´t think, they are captured guns. They look like new ones. So I assume, they are the german ones with some modifications.

[nuyt]

Hi Tosan and Ruhrpott arkadashlar,
I think maybe 1905 15cn Krupp howitzers. What you see I think is the barrel on a separate carriage for transport.
Great picture!

[Ruhrpottpreusse]

A good ides. You mean, a "barrel-carrier"?

[Tosun Saral]

15 cm Krupp Haubitze L 14

[nuyt]

Hi Tosun, that's the one, though we would need to know if the barrel was indeed transported on a separate trailer. On the last pic it isnt, but then again it was taken in a war zone and it may have been better for operational reasons to tow the gun completely assembled and ready to do its job.

[CharlieC]

The 15cm Positionhaubitze M1905 was moved as a single unit just like the sFH 02, or rather there's no evidence that the barrel
could be easily removed. There is a survivor of the original order of 18 howitzers in the Military Museum at Sophia. It seems that
Krupp sold the howitzers as "positionhaubitze" (supporting howitzers for fortress use) rather than a "feldhaubitze" (field howitzer) because the M1905 was somewhat heavier than the German Army limit of 2100 kg for towed guns.

There were a small number of these howitzers built at Top Hane in Istanbul (perhaps 15), I think the 4 in the image might be some of these. There are obvious differences from the Krupp built howitzers such as the mud guards and lack of gun shield but the barrels and receivers look the same.

The AWM image of the damaged howitzer was taken outside Amman in 1918 - there's some evidence this howitzer has survived at
Goulburn, NSW. The Gouburn howitzer is a very late Turkish-built one, the barrel appears to be a spare Krupp made barrel rather than a Turkish built one.

Images at: http://landships.info/landships/artille ... bitze.html

Regards,

Charlie

[nuyt]

HI Charlie, I think you are right.
But they are still just barrels on the picture, look at the structure below the barrel. I now think they might not be Turkish at all but Austrian barrels of the M14 howitzer, that was moved in separate loads. Also the shape of the barrel is similar.

[CharlieC]

Yes - I think you've nailed it Nuyt.

The K.u.K used the same rohrwagen for both the 15cm Skoda M14 howitzer and 10.4cm Skoda M15 gun - there's a surviving rohrwagen in Brisbane, documented at: http://www.ammsbrisbane.com/home.html?L0=6&L1=0&L2=20.

There used to be a surviving rohrwagen with a 15cm barrel in Mooroopna, Victoria but it disappeared in the 1960s - the only one with a 15cm barrel I know about is in the Brussels Military Museum.

The barrels of the Krupp M1905 and Skoda M14 are very similar.

Regards,

Charlie

15cm_Rohrwagen_Brussels.jpg

[nuyt]

Yep, we did it!
tks for the confirmation...

[Tosun Saral]

A gun at Edirne Fort. Krupp 105 mm ? or ??? What it is?
source: Elmira R-Rend

[nuyt]

It's not a real gun. At best it may be (have been) used to make a bang for visitors or alarm.