Looking for Information on Imams religious standards in 1915

drewsart · Post by **drewsart** » 01 Dec 2006 00:33

I am seeking information on the appearence of regimental religious standards carried by some turkish units - I have found references to the fact that they were
green but i have no idea what they looked like. I have pictures of
the regimental standards deployed at gallipoli but not the religious standards can anyone assist with either a photo or a description.

Thanks
Andrew

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 11:30

Before 1820's every regiment had its own standarts
http://www.turkishculture.org/pages.php ... D=15&ID=73

The Sultan of Ottoman Turkish Empire had 3 main standarts representing the might of the Empire:
a red standart with 3 white crescents: reperesented Turkish Empire on 3 continents.
a green standart with 3 white crescents: represented the islam on 3 continemts
a white standart with 3 crescents. represented the pax ottomana on 3 continents. These 3 standarts were demolished aftre the new reorms of Sultan Mahmut II in 1820's.
http://x.atamanhotel.com/showphoto.php?ph=2119

a Turkish Regimental standart durinf Turkish Greco war in 1897.

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 11:44

Turkish Army never had religious Standarts. There was only one religious Standart which was called "sancak-i Serif" (banner of Prophet Muhammed (S.A.) which was protected and guarded at the Mosque of Hagia Sophia (Now museum) It was seldom to carry the standart to the public. Only just before the WW1 by the ORDER and WILL of Germans it was taken to the public and the Govenment declared the Holy Jihat (The Holy War againts unbelivers(! ?)) under the Holy Standart. The purpose of the Holy War was to revolt the Moslems which was under British jorke. But it didnt worked. The British worked better and the Moslem Arabs revolted againts Turks. really sad story.

My late grand Father Hodja Ismail Efendi was the imam of the 97th Regiment:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... ight=hodja

Soldiers of Gallipoli parading before the fights.
The meaning of Turkish sentence:
"Today the homeland will be satisfied by our heroic deeds
The soldier will die but the army will be Ghazi (will life for ever)

On the Regimental Standarts as seen on the image there was a verse from the Holy Kuran in Arabic letters with the islamic aid: "La İlahe il'Allah Muhammeden Resulallah"
(There are no Gods but Allah and Mohammed is is messenger)

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 12:13

A Turkish Regimental Standart just after the withdrawell of British from Gallipoli on the shore hills of Peninsula.

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 12:17

The decoration ceremony of the Standart of 27th Regiment by Enver Pasha the vice commander in chief of the Turkish Ottoman Armies which fought bravely in the first days of invasion on Gallipoli

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 12:22

A Regimental Standart of the 101 th Artillary Regiment in 1935 with regimental officers

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 02 Dec 2006 12:26

The Standart of the 79th Regiment at Sinai Front WW1

stevebecker · Post by **stevebecker** » 03 Dec 2006 02:22

Mate,

What is interesting in the shot of the colour party of the 79th Regt is they all wear the ribbon of the Iron Cross 2nd Class, but none appear to wear the War medal (Gallipoli Star).

The Standard also has a lot more writting on it then the others, more verse's of the holy Karan purhaps?

Did these Standards have battle Honours on them?

Cheers

S.B

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 03 Dec 2006 11:06

"The Standard also has a lot more writting on it then the others, more verse's of the holy Karan purhaps? "
Yes steve you are right but I don't know to explain.
At the beginning of the WW1 The 79th Regiment commandd by Lt. Col. Etem was attached to 8th AC, 27th Division in Sinai-Palastina Front. Thats all I know about 79th R.

domster · Post by **domster** » 04 Dec 2006 10:21

Hi Guys

The Australian War Memorial has picutres of 3 regimental colours captured during WW1 here is an image of the 80th regiments captured in 1916 at Maghadaba.

Cheers
Dominic

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Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 07 Dec 2006 13:00

"The Standard also has a lot more writting on it then the others, more verse's of the holy Karan purhaps?

Did these Standards have battle Honours on them?"

Dear Steve, On the book where I got the image "Birinci Dünya harbinde Türk harbi" it is written that the stantart is a special standart but the book gives no extra information.
Yes They had.
Banner of 27th Regiment was decorated with gold and silver distinguished and war medals by Enver Pasha according to the appointment of The Sultan Mehmet Resat on October 30, 1915
source: Harp mecmuasi (War Magazine Nr. 8 p.119

stevebecker · Post by **stevebecker** » 07 Dec 2006 23:16

Thanks Tosun,

I did notice that the 79th Regt's standard has two ribbins with knots on the flag staff.

We (aussies) tend to place our Battle honours sewn into the standard, while the Americans place theirs on a ribbon that hangs from the Flag staff much like the two ribbons with knots from the 79th Regt standard.

Thats why I wondered if these two ribbon knots were battle or Campaign honours. Or just a decoration and more words from the Holy Koran

Cheers

S.B

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 08 Dec 2006 11:56

Dear Steve I gave the maps of Magdeba on the other page. havent you merked?

stevebecker · Post by **stevebecker** » 09 Dec 2006 00:24

Yes thankyou Tosun

S.B

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 14 Dec 2006 15:13

1915 a finial from Turkish Regimental Standart POW at War museum at Camberra.
1916 A Turkish Flag captuered by Australians. Plese note that this flag is not a regimental standart. It is just a governmental flag that decorates all over in offical buildings.
http://maviboncuk.blogspot.com/2006_09_ ... chive.html