Bill,Bill Woerlee wrote:Ami
G'day mate
Whoa there and hold up pardner. I think you have mounted the horse from the wrong end. Laying into Tosun over the Hadiths and Koran is a bit out of the field.
But to deal with this objection, anyone can grab a verse from the Koran or take a Hadith and turn it into something vile. Heck there is a Hadith which suggests that it is perfectly fine to belt the living hell out of your wife. In my experience, I haven't heard of or seen many followers of Islam and the Sharia actually doing this.
But when you begin finger pointing with extreme interpretations of the Koran and Hadiths Ami, you gotta make sure your plot is clean. When it comes to the Torah and the Mitvot, heck, it makes the Hadiths look like child's play. I mean stoning someone for looking at you in a funny way or executing someone for having a square haircut is a tad bit extreme to say the least and yet it is sitting there. And worse still is the anti-Arab propaganda in the Ishmael story. So casting stones is not a productive adventure, especially if it is a religious stone of radical interpretation. Let's not go there brother because it will cause great pain for no reward.
The rest of your commentary picks up on what Steve and I have already said - scapegoating is a convenient way of avoiding responsibility.
The fine distinction about only Lebanese selling land is a bit skewed with tortured logic. If you really want to go here, perhaps you might look at the origin of the Hebrews and you will find that all the folks living in that patch of land are Lebanese anyway. There was no such thing as the exodus nor King David nor anything else lauded in the mythology of Israel. All we get are a group of Phonecian hill tribes people banding together under the call of an Egyptian prince, Moses, for the purposes of creating an Egyptian buffer state, and bound together by a god of coalition. The language, writing system and even religion is all from the Phonecians, or if you want to modernise it a bit, the Lebanese.
The term Palestine is the Roman name for the province of Philistia, the old name for that area. At the end of the day, even Jews are, by definition, also Palestinians.
Call me stupid but all I see is a pointless internecine struggle being writ large upon the world stage. Nothing good comes from family squabbles and those who poke their noses into it are likely to get hurt without any thanks for their pains.
So if you want to debate this stuff, that's fine, but you are wasting everyone's time rehashing that which to the outside world, looks rather short sighted and foolish.
Cheers
Bill
The main problem with your post, is that you try to create equality between religious custom and laws in Judaism and Islam while ignoring the major part - the facts. The bottom line, is that at the end of the day, the amount of Jewish leaders or Israeli politicians who follow the guidlines of what you claim to be biblical Jewish laws in your posts (although killing a guy for his haircut or for looking at you in a funny way sounds more like criminal street thuggary than Jewish law) and preach them to their supporters, is close to none, while the opposing verses I brought are mainstream, pushed deep in to the minds of young Muslims in many Muslim countries, as part of the educational system and the surrounding culture.
Ami
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