The Air War

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The Air War

Post by cj » 25 Mar 2007 02:07

Can anyone tell me some German and Turkish airunits that fought on Turkish fronts, particullarily with the Asiakorps? what type of aircraft would they have flown? what type of aircraft would they have fought, in what units?
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Post by Peter H » 25 Mar 2007 04:39

German aviators Palästinafront
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=77672

Can anyone ID these German pilots in Palestine?
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=80635

Fliegerabteilung 300 and 305
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=97049

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Post by cj » 25 Mar 2007 18:40

thanks a ton, but what about the air war over mesopotamia

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Post by Bill Woerlee » 26 Mar 2007 01:26

Peter

G'day mate

This is incredibly good information mate and I am grateful that you have shared it. This certainly adds greatly to my understanding of the folks in the various FA's in Palestine.

Cheers

Bill

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Post by Peter H » 26 Mar 2007 09:40

cj wrote:thanks a ton, but what about the air war over mesopotamia
No organised German air units served in Mesopotamia but individual German fliers served with the Turks there.

The Ottoman's has 3 Albatros D.II,31 Albatros D.III (OAW) fighters,and 2 D.Vs and 1 D.Va.

I can find only one Ottoman flier who scored a "kill" in Mesopotamia:

"Cemal Turgutlu,Turkish Air Service,shot down a British plane over Imamdur in Iraq on 22nd March1918, with observer Hasan Basri".

A German ace in Mesopotamia as well,Hans Shüz of OFA 2,six out of his 10 victories in that theatre:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/schuz.php

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Post by Peter H » 26 Mar 2007 13:36

From the Aerodrome Forum,FA6 and the defence of the the Dardanelles 1916-1918:
FA6 based in the Dardanelles flew under the Turkish markings ( the black square with white border ) and despite the fez's they wore ( check out a pic of Buddecke ) the squadrons were turkish in name only. FA6 flew Fokker Eindeckers and Albatri and pfalz's as well as some halberstadt 2 seaters. they also flew captured planes such as nieuports and brisfits.

Emil Meinecke,the ace of the Dardenelles:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/meinecke.php

http://www.earlyaviators.com/emeineck.htm


Theodor Jakob Croneiss as well of FA6:

http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/germany/croneiss.php




German naval aviation Aegean/Dardanelles

http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/showt ... hp?t=21001


Ottoman Naval Aviation:

http://www.turkishmedals.net/others.htm
The Ottoman Navy added an Air Service in 1915, setting up a seaplane base at Yesilkoy, on the shores of the Sea of Marmara. Six Turkish Naval officers were sent to Germany for training. During the course of the war, four Naval seaplane squadrons were created, and a Naval aviation school was established at Yesilkoy. The Turkish Naval Air Service was primarily engaged in training of pilots and support personnel, and conducting observation missions to protect the straits and the Sea of Marmara from allied submarines. In addition, Turkish Naval Air Service personnel provided support for German seaplane squadrons in the Turkish theater. With the exception of the commander of the seaplane school, all of the officers and staff of the Turkish Naval Air Service were Ottoman Turks or Ottoman subjects.




Has anyone any details of Ottoman air units in the Caucasus?

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Post by Tosun Saral » 26 Mar 2007 14:05

In 1914 both sides had no planes in Iraq Front.
- On Sept. 16 th 1915 a British plane was hit by Turkish ground forces. The crew was taken prisoner.
-On Sept 27th 1915 another British plane was forced to land down. The crew was taken POW. After cross examining the crew the Turks learned that British have 7 planes in Iraq.
-During that time Turks had no planes in Iraq. von der Golz wanted 4 planes. but refused.
-On Oct 13 1915'de a group of British planes was ordered to ruin telephone and telegram poles around north and south of Bagdat. One of them was forced to land dawn and the crew was taken POW.
* Nov. 21 1915 3 british planes was forced to land dawn. The plane was restored and readied to fly.Pilot 2nd Lt. Fazil tried his best to restore the planes. One of the restored planes flew over Nehrivan to get information about the enemy on Nov. 25 1915.
- With this restored British planes Pilot 2nd Lt. Fazıl, Capt. Fettah and 2nd Lt. Mehmet Ali flew over British lines.
-On Dec.1 1915' 2nd Plane Company which was in Yesilkoy/Istanbul airfield under command of German Capt. Von Alulock come to Iraq under difficult conditions in 45 days.. Even a few planes were lost during the flight.
Von Alulock 4 Parasol planes
Pilot Capt. Mehmet Ali 2 Bristol
2nd Lt. Fazıl 1 Godron
Lt. Cemal 1 Ferman
German Lt. Seheefr 1 Enfoçya
German Lt. Balzum
German navigator 2nd Lt. Mayer
2nd Lt Fettah
2nd Sırrı
German Lt. Leroz
Lt. Ziya

On Feb. 1 1916 mehmet Ali prepared a Parasol Plane and made an experimental fly. But he crushed and broke his legs.

http://www.tayyareci.com/hvtarihi/1914- ... -iran2.asp

Turkish planes in WW1
http://www.tayyareci.com/digerucaklar/turkiye/ww1.asp

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Post by Tosun Saral » 01 Apr 2007 14:00

German Pilot Capt.Buddecke at Turkish service
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Post by Tosun Saral » 01 Apr 2007 14:05

Lt. Cemal Ulusoy Turkish Pilot at Gallipoli

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Post by Tosun Saral » 01 Apr 2007 14:07

Turkish Pilot Capt.Ali Riza Bey

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