Atatürk’s creation

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Post by Mr Holmes » 12 May 2007 11:30

/bangs clenched fist on computer desk.

I went to Borders today, the copy got sold...

re Ataturk's adopted daughter. I had heard of this somewhere and it came to me as a surprise as well. That would have been a fair few years earlier than any other nation, I would think.

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Post by Mr Holmes » 20 May 2007 14:14

Thanks for the pictures. Should be a great companion reading Mango's book. He is very photogenic striking the military and statesman-like poses. He hardly ever looks into the camera. Is that because he wishes to give the impression that he is forward looking, looking into the future?

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Post by Tosun Saral » 20 May 2007 19:06

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk's Address to Turkish Youth on 20th October 1927 in Ankara:

" Turkish Youth!

Your first duty is to preserve and to defend Turkish Independence and the Turkish Republic forever.

This is the very foundation of your existence and your future.

This foundation is your most precious treasure. In the future, too, there may be malevolent people at home and abroad, who will wish to deprive you of this treasure.

If some day you are compelled to defend your independence and your Republic, you must not hesitate to weigh the possibilities and circumstances of thesituation before doing your duty!

These possibilities and circumstances may turn out to be extremely unfavourable. The enemies conspiring against your independence and your Republic may have behind them a victory unprecedented in the annals of the world.

It may be that, by violence and trickery, all the fortresses of your beloved fatherland may be captured, all its shipyards occupied, all its armies dispersed and every corner of the country invaded.

And sadder and graver than all these circumstances, those who hold power within the country may be in error, misguided and may even be traitors.

Furthermore, they may identify personal interests with the political designs of the invaders. The country may be impoverished, ruined and exhausted.

Youth of Turkey's future!

Even in such circumstances it is your duty to save Turkish Independence and the Republic. You will find the strength you need in your noble blood."

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Post by Peter H » 21 May 2007 08:40

Atatürk's marriage secrets remain under wraps

http://www.smh.com.au/news/World/Atatuu ... 58935.html

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Post by Peter H » 21 May 2007 08:59

Picardy,France 1910.Observer :

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With Liman von Sanders:

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Post by Peter H » 21 May 2007 09:01

With the Army,1930s

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Post by Tosun Saral » 21 May 2007 09:22

Dear Visitor,
Do you ever seen a king, queen or dictator swimming in public beach during the years 1930-38. I am sure you never.
But Ataturk swam. He was not a king or Sultan or Chalif or dictator. He was a simple man his heart full of love.

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Post by Peter H » 21 May 2007 09:48

Kemal talks to the German diplomat Dr. Ernest Jackh at Gallipoli,September 1915:
“Like the Russians we are crammed into the land. Russia will collapse, because I have closed the Black Sea.....However, we are about to collapse because of same reason. In fact, we are settled on the shores of the Mediterranean, the Red Sea, and the Indian Ocean, but we cannot risk sailing through any ocean. We will never be able to defeat a naval power.”
The Rising Crescent: Turkey Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow,1944.

Jackh,a German Jew,later taught Middle Eastern history in the US.

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Post by Peter H » 21 May 2007 10:57

General MacArthur meets Ataturk November 1932.According to M. Study Slater's The Golden Link,1962,Ataturk gave his views on the coming crisis in Europe:
"The Versailles peace settlement will not end the reasons that started the World War. It has deepened the gap between nations, for there were centuries that imposed peace and forced the stipulations upon those who were defeated. Versailles was settled under the influence of hatred and was an expression of revenge. It went beyond the meaning of an armistice. If you Americans had decided not to be involved in European events and had followed up President Wilson's suggestions, this period would have been longer, but the result of the settlement would have been peace. Just as the period of settlement would have been longer, the hatred and revenge would have been lessened and lasting peace would have been possible." ...

..."To my understanding, just as it happened yesterday, the future of Europe will be dependent upon Germany. That nation is dynamic and disciplined. If Germany unites, it will seek to shake off the yoke of the Versailles Treaty. Germany, Russia, and England will have a strong army to conquer Europe. The next war will come from 1940 to 1945. France has lost the spirit of creating a powerful army, and therefore, England will not depend upon France to protect herself. France will no longer be a buffer state. Italy will improve, somewhat, under Mussolini. He will first try to avoid war, if he can. But I fear that he will try to play the role of Caesar and it will prove to the World that Italy cannot produce a powerful army yet."

America will not be able to avoid war and Germany will be defeated only through her interference. If authorities in Europe do not get together on the basis of controversies of political contacts and try to placate their own hatreds and interests, it will be tragic."

"The Troubles of England, France, and Germany will not come first or be of primary importance. Something new from the East of Europe has come up that will take primary place of importance. This new threat will spend whatever is available in its resources for international revolution. This power will utilize new political methods to achieve these goals. These methods are not known by Americans and Europeans and this power will try to make use of our small mistakes and the mistakes of Western nations."

"The victorious power after the war between 1940 and 1945 will not be England, France, or Germany, but Bolshevism. Being closest to Russia and having had many wars with her in the past, Turkey is watching Russia closely and sees the whole danger developing. Russia knows how to influence and awaken the minds of Eastern countries, and how to give them ideas of nationalism. Russia has encouraged hatred towards the West. Bolshevism is getting to be a power and a great threat to Europe and Asia."

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Post by Peter H » 03 Jun 2007 10:14

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"Suvla Group Commander Colonel Mustafa Kemal with his colleagues"


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"Mustafa Kemal is giving information about the war to the deputies (14 October 1915)"

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Post by Tosun Saral » 04 Jun 2007 10:43

Information about the officers of Suvla or as we Turks say Anafartalar Group:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... nafartalar

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Post by Nikolay » 09 Jun 2007 16:29

Tosun Saral wrote:Dear Visitor,
Do you ever seen a king, queen or dictator swimming in public beach during the years 1930-38. I am sure you never.
But Ataturk swam. He was not a king or Sultan or Chalif or dictator. He was a simple man his heart full of love.

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Actually Tzar Boris III did that often in the 1930-ies and 1940-ies. With not a single bodyguard around him...

I do agree that Ataturk was extremely popular and beloved in Turkey.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 09 Jun 2007 17:16

Bravo for Boris.
Do you have any images of him swimming with his beloved Bulgarian citizens?

Who is Boris?
An artificial Bulgar made by western powers.
In the military coup on May 19, 1934, Boris helped the military establish a dictatorship and abolish the political parties in Bulgaria. In the following year, he assumed control of the country and established a personal regime in which, under a democratic façade, he ruled as an absolute monarch.

Poor Bulgaria suffered so much. I hope will be better in EU.

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