İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

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İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by Stellan Bojerud » 29 Nov 2008 17:19

What is known of this person?

The name is Swedish!

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Post by Tosun Saral » 30 Nov 2008 16:37

According to the following page Swen Cederholm is a navy captain(Kaitaen zur See) His name is listed two times among the Germans Officers at Turkish service at Dardanelles and Gallipoli.
1- on board of "Ihtiyat"
2- On board of mine-layer Nilufer (Read u with umlaut Niluefer)
http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:IGU ... cd=2&gl=uk

Nilüfer Mine-layer under command of Navy captain Hasan Murat Bey took part at Sivastopol umbush on Oct 29th 1914.
Nilüfer captured 1852 ton Russian vessel "Grandük Aleksandr" took all the crew POws and sink the ship. Nilüfer sunk at Black Sea on Nov. 21st 1914. Some say that during a fierce Black Sea Storm others say after a mine explosion. All the crew prished.. Hasan Murat bey was brother of famous Navy captain Rauf Bey, captain of Hamidiye and later Naval Minister.

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by Stellan Bojerud » 30 Nov 2008 18:01

Thank you! Most interesting. However I cannot find out what type of ship "Ihtyat" was.

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by Tosun Saral » 30 Nov 2008 19:00

I am not sure.

On that a/m page the name of Cederholm is given under Kapitaen zur See Bieler and Mj.Madlung on destoyer Peyk-i Şavket as (İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm) From that sentence I understand that ihtiyat was ship.
"İ" of ihtiyat is written in Capital letters. this means İhtiyat is a name. For that reason I wrote that on board of İhtiyat.

There is also another meaning: "İhtiyat'ta" =on the reserve. It can be that he was a reserve officer at the order of Turkish navy.

If İhtiyat is a ship she must be a cargo ship.

??????????? :D

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by stevebecker » 09 Aug 2020 06:59

Mate,

This was a long time ago but

Cederholm Sven (Swen) Kapt-Lt deR Marine commander Ottoman Mine layer "Nilüfer" Sunk in 1914 - also shown with Minelayer "Samsun"? 1914- (born at Swinemünde KIA 22-11-14) also shown KIA 19-11-14 when "Nilufer" hit a mine off the Bosphorus and was lost with 52 souls on board shown in Klaus Wolf's Book

Not much more on this man?

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Post by Jochen Kruesmann » 18 Aug 2020 09:28

Swen Cederholm (born 13.05.1875 in Swinemünde) was the I. Officer of the German passenger steamer CORCOVADO when the ship reached Istanbul on 02.08.1914. After the ships captain Looft left the vessel he took over the command, but as a Kapitänleutnant d.R. (d.R. = in reserve) of the Germany Navy he was allocated to the "Mittelmeer-Divison" for supervising the conversion of the Ottoman steamship NILÜFER into a minelayer. He was the German Co-Commander when the NILÜFER sank on Russian mines 10 miles noth west of the Bosporus. On 22.11.1914 some wreck parts, a life-belt and the bodies of two German seamen found near Şile. All of her crew of 55 Ottomans and 8 Germans died.

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by stevebecker » 18 Aug 2020 21:49

Mate,

Yes the captain was;

Hasan Murat Bey Ottoman minelayer "Nilüfer" Capt Naval KIA 19-11-14 Sunk in 19-11-14 hit a mine off the Bosphorus and was lost with 52 souls on board brother of famous Navy captain Rauf Bey captain of Hamidiye and later Naval Minister

It looks like the death toll veries in sourses on this ship?

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by Jochen Kruesmann » 19 Aug 2020 16:26

Yes, there seems to be sometimes different figures about the death tolls. "Mine" are from the official German report included in the "Kriegstagebuch Mittelmerr-Division".

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Jochen

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Re: İhtiyat'ta Yüzbaşı Swen Cederholm

Post by Tosun Saral » 08 Nov 2020 11:07

Deutsches Nordmährerblatt, 27.11.1914
about Nilufer
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