Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by Tosun Saral » 30 Sep 2012 19:31

Col.Turker Geçer corrected the mistakes at Flaherty's album
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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 00:00

Tosun Saral wrote:Col.Turker Geçer corrected the mistakes at Flaherty's album
Thanks for the additional info. I have Col. Turker Geçer 2012 article on the evolution of Ottoman-to Turkish republic insignia that was published in the Turkish Army Military Journal.

The use of grey wool for the lamb wool cap was not restricted to the Gendarme alone. Kalpak, in grey/brown wool, as a variation is often seen, especially in surviving high -quality ones. It should be noted that in all these examples, the lace and buttons are gold (indicating the combat arm of the Imperial Army). In the case of the non-combat roles such as a medical officer, the lace and button would be silver and the top or dome black in colour.

The wearing of the Ottoman Turkish 1876 Aiguillette for Aides-De-Camp to the Sultan was a unique item of rank insignia and was not only used in its conventional sense, as a working symbol of a staff-officer’s authority, it was also granted as an honour to various officers. The Annuaire oriental du commerce, de l'industrie, de l'administration et de la magistrature (Constantinople 1891) held at the Bibliothèque Nationale de France, annually published the full index of the Imperial Ottoman Government and as can be seen from the extracted page –section below, listing the Feriks (or Generals of Division), whom were entitled Aides-de-Camp Honraires, to the Sultan. An aide-de-camp is French for camp assistant, and in the European context is a personal assistant, secretary, or adjutant to a person of high rank, usually a senior military officer or a head of state. In the Ottoman Turkish empire the aide-de-camp was considered to be a title of honour, and as was seen in Figure 2 high ranking the Feriks (Generals of Division) were entitled Aides-de-Camp Honraires. The Annuaire oriental du commerce, (Constantinople 1891), included in this list all the Lieutenants, Captains etc who were also entitled ‘Aides-de-Camp Honraires’. As well as, all the current serving ones, thus indicating there was a high level of importance associated with the role.It appears as well, that the title raised the status of these officers. Ottoman Turkish military ranks carried a corresponding aristocratic title. In the case of a Lieutenant’s rank this was normally “EFFENDI”. However, in the Annuaire, the named Lieutenants, who are entitled ‘Aides-de-Camp Honraires’, end their names with the aristocratic title of “BEY”, which was normally intended for the MAJOR rank and above.

The shoulder board problem. The 1913 re designation (giving new titles) to the group of Admin officers, sitting between the ranks of 2nd Lt. and full Lt. appears to have seen a continuation of the use of the silver/white (with red flecs) for these officers. However, wartime pictures, and surviving insignia seems to tell a different story. See these working drafts: Attached.

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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 00:18

The Kolagasi rank, was abolished in 1910. However, the British Army Handbook 1916, advised that these officers were still serving (either awaiting retirement/promotion) in 1914-16 (when it was written), so we cannot entirely remove these from any study the rank insignia even in WW1. As well, the Imperial Ottoman Navy, still retained the rank, and as these officers were still serving ashore (still cannot be left out).

Confusingly, there was actually, another 'Kolagasi rank', around from the 1876-1908 period - used till when? However, the picture 'A' of the elderly officer, with the shoulder-board edged in gilt tape is actually one of these boards: it is the Regimental Adjutant / Staff Adjutant Major (sometimes described as a Assistant Adjutant Major (Kolagasi Muavinleri), who appears to have ranked below the 2nd LT. but above the Sergeant-Major. So again, cant be left out as a rank even if abolished, because these junior officers may still have been in service - or called out from the reserves (again either awaiting retirement/promotion in 1914-16).

The area in particular lacking documentation is the rank system developed post the Crimean War in 1861, till 1876 which was the use of cuff chevrons for officers. The Col.Turker Geçer article does not develop these.

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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 11:37

New plate on Ottoman Imperial Navy:

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Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 11:38

Revised Plate on WW1 Inf LT/CAPT:
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Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 13:14

Revised plate 23:
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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 14:43

New updated plate: Gendarme Officers/Army Senior Officers WW1:

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Post by Tosun Saral » 01 Oct 2012 19:16

A man with such great knowledge can not be hidden under a false name. We would be very pleased to know you. Are you Chris? :D
We would like to invite you to our forum where Türker, Demir Erman and other distinquished historians discusting.
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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 01 Oct 2012 23:38

Tosun Saral wrote:A man with such great knowledge can not be hidden under a false name. We would be very pleased to know you. Are you Chris? :D
We would like to invite you to our forum where Türker, Demir Erman and other distinquished historians discusting.
http://www.facebook.com/groups/420944871281282/
Tosun, thankyou so much for your kind support with my research work. The facebook forum, as with this site, as well as http://www.pickelhaubes.com is so important for on going research into the Ottoman Turkish military history, as well as militaria collecting generally.

I am Chris, and I write in my spare time for the UK Armourer magazine http://www.collectors-club-of-great-bri ... sue/_is379 where I have a number of articles published on WW1 Turkish militaria.

The support of yourself, Demir, Cristiano, Chris (German Colonial Uniforms), and many others is very much valued.

Here is the newest plate, as well as the 200th Turkish Uniform (1800-1918), I have illustrated so far:

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Post by Cristiano de S.O Campos » 02 Oct 2012 02:20

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Re: Draft Book on Ottoman Uniforms 1800 till 1918

Post by ukturkcollector » 02 Oct 2012 15:44

New plate on the Ottoman Navy WW1 including the German sailors:

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Post by ukturkcollector » 03 Oct 2012 11:01

New Band plate 43
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Post by ukturkcollector » 03 Oct 2012 11:02

Revised plate 34: POWs in Egypt 1917:

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Post by ukturkcollector » 03 Oct 2012 11:03

Revised plate 30 NCOS:

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Post by ukturkcollector » 03 Oct 2012 11:03

Revised plate 22 Flag WW1:

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