Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

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Re: Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by Tosun Saral » 25 Oct 2020 11:11

General Pomiankowski writes in his book “Der Zuzammenbruch des Osmanischen Reiches, Erinnerungen an die Türkei aus der Zeit des Weltkriges “ that Enver Pasha arrived at Bagdad on May 19th 1916 at 09:00 . He inspected the 13000 british POWs.At the inspecting area There was also a battion of müslim soldiers from Fas (Morocco) who were taken POW by the germans at France and send to Irak in order to fight againts the Btishh by the side of Turks.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 25 Oct 2020 11:52

There were non Kuk battery at Irak. but 10.5 Skoda mountain guns. Artillery 2nd.Lieutenant Friedrich Iselstöger writes about "Training of Turkish Artillery on Cebel (Mountain) guns" in his article in the book (Honour Bokk of our artillery) " Ehrenbuch Unserer Artillerie , Herausgegeben von “Reichsbund der Artillerievereinigung Österreichs” Verlag: Wien, p. 512, Band 2, Wien, 1935.

"Shortly after the opening of the road between Austria and Turkey after the defeat of Serbia, the Turkish Ministry of Defense sent a delegation to Austria to buy the mountain guns. Because, according to the opinion of the turkish army officials, the Cebel (mountain) guns were the most suitable weapons for the geography of the Turkish fronts. It was superior to Krupp and Erhardt cannons in terms of range.It was more portable. Skoda mountain guns were suitablle for the turkish infantry figtings at causacus mountains and deserts and were more capable than German guns. The request of the Turkish military authorities was approved, and the shipment of 12 M 15 (mountain) cannon batteries together with their materials was agreed.

In addition, the request for training Turkish artillery crew on these batteries by Austrian-Hungarian officers was deemed appropriate. That is why three separate detachments were prepared in Vienna in March 1916, each with one officer and six NC officers.In early June, first M 15 mountain gun batteries were sent to the Caucasian front.

Until then, the Caucasian Army Group had no mountain guns within range to deal with Russian cannons. For this reason, Russian artillery positions could not be damaged. With the introduction of the M 15 gun batteries, the turkish artillery gained superiority at the battle...

The reputation of the M 15 Batteries had spread to other Armies. All the Armies were persistently demanding that the M 15 Batteries to be given."

TS nota: I dont know how many Skoda 10.5 were given to 6yh Army at Irak.
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Re: Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by stevebecker » 02 Nov 2020 05:08

Tosun,

I notice this KUK officer was wearing a Ottoman War Medal, I can find no details on him?

Percevic Ivan KUK (General Independent State of Croatia period) awarded Ottoman War Medal

He appears to be amoung a number of KUK Croatian officers post war?

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Re: Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by stevebecker » 02 Nov 2020 22:52

Tosun,

After some looking I found this officer you mention,

Trollmann von Lovcenberg Ignaz Freiherr von General KUK Feldmarschalleutnant 18th Div in Serbia 1914-15 to commander 19th Corps offensive in East Galicia 1915-16 in Albania on the Salonika Front 1917-18 1917-18 (1860 at Steyr died 23-2-19) KUK Hungarian General of the Infantry awarded Knight's cross of the Military Maria Theresian Order and Ottoman Gold Liakat Medal and War Medal

I had trouble finding him and why he gained any Ottoman awards, but all good in the end.

Commanding the 19th Corps in Galicia looks to be the reason.

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Post by Frech » 04 Nov 2020 05:31

Here is a pic of Trollmann showing both his turkish awards.

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Post by Tosun Saral » 07 Nov 2020 11:02

Croatian General Ivan Perčević von Odavna decorated with Türkisch Harb Madalyası the War Medal
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Post by Tosun Saral » 07 Nov 2020 11:06

Croatian Major General Wladimir Laxa, won turkish Harb Madalyası at Izonzo Front
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Post by Tosun Saral » 10 Nov 2020 22:13

My son Dr. Emre Saral from Uni of Hacettepe(Ankara wrote an article “The Role of Austro-Hungarian Artillery on the Ottoman Fronts in World War I”, for the book " Between Empires – Beyond Borders The Late Ottoman Empire and the Early Republican Era Through the Lens of the Köpe Family, Gábor Fodor (Ed.), Budapest, Hungarian Academy of Sciences Research Center for Humanities, 2020, pp.87-115.
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Post by Tanzania » 13 Nov 2020 12:25

Dear Tosun,
many thanks to you and your son for this exellent summary. (-:thumbsup:-)
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Re: Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by stevebecker » 15 Nov 2020 22:35

Tosun,

Is I enjoyed the work.

I did notice that the Germans, or at lest von Sanders was against sending Ottoman soldiers into the Balkans and tried to stop it. But Enver and others were for sending them?

One of the many run in's with Enver by Sanders.

I did wonder about the officer mentioned as

Pokorny Hermann

the Ranglisten des Kaiserlichen und Königlichen Heeres 1918

Has only one officer by that name

Pokorny Hermann Maj (LtCol) KUK Generalstabs communications officer radio interception att KUK 1st Army, 2nd Army and 3rd Army and Mackensen Army Command 1916-17 *1882 at Kromeríž died 1960) KUK from Hungarian Staff Major Generalstab cryptographer awarded Ottoman War Medal

All bio's show he was not in Turkey?

So who is

Pokorny Hermann Lt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement (1 officer and 6 NCO's) att 3rd Ottoman Army 1916-17 KUK awarded Ottoman War Medal

Also these are not on there?

Maschauer (Marschauer) ObLt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement (1 officer and 6 NCO's) att 6th Ottoman Army 1916-17 KUK (not identified)? awarded Ottoman War Medal

I did find a Johann Maschauer from Feldartillerieregiment No 129 shown Capt August 1917

Steinhardt (Steinhard) Hermann von Lt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement (1 officer and 6 NCO's) att 5th Ottoman Army 1916-17 KUK awarded Ottoman War Medal (not identified?)

I did find this officer

Steinhardt Erwin Edler von Radlöw Gebirgsartilleriereegiment No 8

are we sure his name was Hermann and not Erwin?

These are found

Iselstöger Fritz (Friedrich) Capt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement Commander 1917-18 KUK from Gebirgsartillerieregiment No 14 awarded Ottoman War Medal

Gomolka Oskar ObLt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement (1 officer and 6 NCO's) att 2nd Ottoman Army 1916-17 KUK from Gebirgsartillerieregiment No 17 awarded Ottoman War Medal

Jandasek (Jandesek) Karl ObLt to Capt KUK Artillery Instruktionsdetachement (1 officer and 6 NCO's) att 4th Ottoman Army 1916-17 KUK from Gebirgsartilleriereegiment No 7 awarded Ottoman War Medal

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Re: Full Austria-Hungarian Officers Name in Ottoman Army..

Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Nov 2020 07:59

Pokorny Hermann Maj (LtCol) KUK Generalstabs communications officer radio interception att KUK 1st Army, 2nd Army and 3rd Army and Mackensen Army Command 1916-17 *1882 at Kromeríž died 1960) KUK from Hungarian Staff Major Generalstab cryptographer awarded Ottoman War Medal .Never been in Turkey. got the medal for his services in a /m front.
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Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Nov 2020 08:00

Pokorny is a very commen hungarian name like Smith or Mehmet Ali

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Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Nov 2020 08:17

Iselstöger, Gomolka ,Jandasek and Pokorny



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Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Nov 2020 08:41

are we sure his name was Hermann and not Erwin?
Hermann is german
Ármin (Armin or Arminus) is hungarian
Erwin is English

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Post by Tosun Saral » 17 Nov 2020 08:52

Major d. Generalstabs Hermann Pokorny
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