Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

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Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by stevebecker » 15 Oct 2021 22:13

Mates,

An Interesting comments showed up in another site which mentioned this Ottoman officer and his staff?

It deals with the French patrol boat "Nord Caper" off the coast of Tripoli who captured Ottoman prisoners?

"C'est ainsi qu'Ahmed-pacha, colonel professeur à l'école militaire de Constantinople; Loufty-bey, capitaine d'infanterie, 8 lieutenants ou sous-lieutenants et une demi-compagnie de réguliers turcs se rendirent à deux officiers et 10 matelots français. Surcouf lui-même n'aurait pas désavoué un pareil exploit."

Translated

"It is thus that Ahmed-Pasha, colonel professor at the military school of Constantinople; Loufty-bey, captain of infantry, 8 lieutenants or second lieutenants and a half-company of Turkish regulars surrendered to two officers and 10 French sailors. Surcouf himself would not have disowned such a feat."

I could not confirm who these men are, do you have any details on this action?

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by stevebecker » 15 Oct 2021 22:40

Mates,

I should mentioned I have a number of Ottoman Officers that served in this area, but not those mentioned?

Abdulkadir Bey commander Libya/Trablusgarb LtCol
Abdullah Efendi Warriors from Birassu tribe Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Abdullah Efendi (Canakkaleli) commander Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Abdullah Timsik (local) Commander 1Bn Libya/Trablusgarb
Abdurrahman Nafiz (Gürman) Bey CofS Aleppo Regular Division & CofS 26th Div & CofS of African Groups Libya/Trablusgarb to 148th Regt & CofS 1st Corps Maj to LtCol
Bilal Efendi HQ Co Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Celal warriors from Evlade Ali Tribe Libya/Trablusgarb Sgt / Çavus
Emin Bey Comdr 1st Numune Bn Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Galip Efendi Commander 2Bn Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Galip Efendi (Kizanikli) Warriors from Abidat and Avagir tribes Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Halil (Uras) Guards Co at HQ Libya/Trablusgarb Maj
Ihsan (Aksoley) Sig officer Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Ishak Bey comder Libya/Trablusgarb Comder of West Front at Misrata on May 1918 Maj to LtCol
Ja'far Pasha al-Askari or Cafer Askeri Bey Deputy Commander of African Groups Libya/Trablusgarb Maj
M.Veli (Dagli) Ops officer of African Groups Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Mehmet Neset (Bora) CofS of African Groups Libya/Trablusgarb Maj to Col
Muhtar Comdr 2nd Numune Bn Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Muhtar Warriors from Hassa and Derwisch tribes Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Nedim (Giritli) Commander Bn at Bir-i Var Libya/Trablusgarb
Nihat Efendi MG comdr Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Nuri Pasa (Killigall) Served in Libya 1915-1918 & CO Islamic Army of Caucasus 6-18 Capt to Maj to LtCol
Nuri Pasha al-Said Libya unknown
Omer (Tunuslu) Efendi Commander of Nalut Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Osman Fuad Fedâî Zâbitân (Volunteer Officers) force Imperial Household Cavalry appointment of Nuri Pasha to the Army of Islam Libya 1917/18 Maj
Sakip Bey Commander of Fizan Libya/Trablusgarb Maj
Salim (Deger) Commander of Tacure Front Libya/Trablusgarb Lt to Col
Seyit Hasan Commander of Homs Front Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Tahsin Efendi warriors from the Munif Tribe Libya/Trablusgarb Lt
Tarik Efendi halting-places Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Vasfi Efendi comp officer of African Groups Libya/Trablusgarb Capt
Ziya Efendi Artillary Comdr Libya/Trablusgarb Capt

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by Tanzania » 17 Oct 2021 08:08

Hi Steve,

Interesting detail description!

• What is the source of this statement?
• Do you know a date, or at least a rough time frame that could define the operation detailed?
• A more precise location would also be helpful.

Cheers Holger
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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by stevebecker » 17 Oct 2021 21:53

Mate,

What I can see

"This from pages 14-18:

Extrait de l' "Histoire de la Marine Française" - Librairie Larousse.

Dans tout le secteur français, la patrouille fut menée par nos croiseurs, torpilleurs et, surtout, chalutiers. Ceux-ci y écrivirent les plus belles pages de leur histoire et accomplirent maintes actions d'éclat, parfois à la manière des corsaires du grand siècle. Tel fut le cas du du petit chalutier Nord-Caper, monté par 10 hommes sous les ordres du lieutenant de vaisseau Lacombe, qui s'empara à l'abordage d'une goélette turque transportant 11 officiers et 50 hommes de troupes régulières en Tripolitaine. La lutte fut épique entre nos matelots bondissant pieds nus, sans autres armes que quelques revolvers, leurs couteaux, des barres de bois, des massues improvisées, et l'équipage de la goélette renforcé par ses passagers.
. Surpris par l"attaque, épouvantés par l'audace de ces démons, par l'accostage brutal du Nord-Caper dont le commandant fit tirer à bout portant la pièce de 47 millimètres, en mugissant dans son porte-voix l'ordre de se rendre, les ennemis mirent bas les armes après une courte résistance.
. C'est ainsi qu'Ahmed-pacha, colonel professeur à l'école militaire de Constantinople; Loufty-bey, capitaine d'infanterie, 8 lieutenants ou sous-lieutenants et une demi-compagnie de réguliers turcs se rendirent à deux officiers et 10 matelots français. Surcouf lui-même n'aurait pas désavoué un pareil exploit."

The date is around late 1915

See this page with a photo of the Ottoman officers captured on the ship

Nord Caper
https://forum.pages14-18.com/viewtopic. ... er#p538493

This claims his name is Ahmed Fehmi

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by Tanzania » 19 Oct 2021 07:59

Impressive; - I didn't know that you already had all of this information. So I have to thank you.

Very interesting detail background. Maybe I will find further names here:

“Birinci Dünya Harbinde Turk Harbi - Hicaz, Asir, Yemen Cepheleri ve Libya Harekatı 1914-1918

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by stevebecker » 19 Oct 2021 22:13

Mate,

Surely they must be known as the three seated Officers at lest one is a Cavalry officer and Two have the Iron Cross 2 class.

So they must have possibly seen service on Chanakale

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by GregSingh » 24 Oct 2021 09:15

Some press articles had his name as Ahmed Fehmi Bey.
Could it be a result of wrong translation as Bey also means Mr. ?

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by Tanzania » 24 Oct 2021 18:56

Hi GregSingh,

Good work. Thanks for posting.
But as far as I understand, there is still no specific date for this action?

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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by GregSingh » 24 Oct 2021 23:55

there is still no specific date for this action?
November 7th, 1915

French patrol boat "Nord Caper" off the coast of Tripoli who captured Ottoman prisoners?
According to the captain of the "Nord Caper", the incident happened near Crete, 10 miles east of Koufonisi island. Raport also mentioned one Turkish officer by name: Loutfi-Bey.

Rapport du Lieutenant de Vaisseau LACOMBE. commandant le NORD CAPER

Je vous signale la façon dont le NORD CAPER a capturé le schooner turc, le 7 novembre 1915, dans l'est de l'île de Koupho-Nisi, à 10 milles environ.
Le NORD CAPER qui avait croisé toute la nuit du 6 au 7, à petite vitesse vers le nord, sur la côte est de la Crète, pour chercher le sous-marin signalé la veille à Hiérapetra, est redescendu à bonne vitesse vers Koupho-Nisi, de façon à s'y trouver au lever du jour. A 5h30, l'homme de veille signale un grand schooner à tribord. On se dirige vers lui à l'allure maximum permise et au poste de combat. A 6h15, avant que le jour ne soit encore bien établi, j'étais à 50 mètres de ce voilier, les canons braqués dessus, et reconnaissais des soldats turcs. J'accoste rapidement le schooner et je fais sauter 8 hommes à bord avant que les officiers et soldats turcs, mal réveillés, aient pu se ressaisir et organiser une résistance. Seul un lieutenant, Loutfi-Bey, a braqué son revolver sur l'Enseigne de Vaisseau POULAILLER, et c'est le Cretois Kristoulakis qui a saisi Loutfi-Bey à bras le corps et l'a désarmé. Sans son heureuse intervention, l'acte de Loutfi-Bey aurait certainement réussi. C'est en somme une prise faite à l'abordage et qui n'a pu réussir, sans perte de notre côté, que par la rapidité avec laquelle l'opération a été conduite et l'ascendant immédiat que nos hommes ont pris sur une troupe mieux armée et bien plus nombreuse (43 hommes dont 11 officiers).
Source: Guerre 14/18 - Citations Marine, by Gilbert Delannoy
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Re: Ahmed Pascha and Tripoli

Post by stevebecker » 25 Oct 2021 22:59

Greg,

Mate one has to wonder about that name,

It is not Ottoman, which would be something like

Lutfi or Lütfi

And as a Captain he would have been Efendi not Bey
Again another commen Ottoman name with no fathers name?

like these I have;

Amin Lutfi al-Hafiz CO 136th Regt - RHQ Maj plot to support an Allied landing at Iskenderun (Alexandretta) Bay, in charge of the coastal defence of Iskenderun 1915 later tried for treason and was hanged
Emin Lutfi Bey 131st Regt Maj
Lutfi Efendi Osmancik Taburu/Bn Capt officers of Fedai Osmancik Taburu
Lütfi Fikri Efendi Observer Airforce 3rd Aircraft Company 3-17 Lt Trained Yesilköy 1916 Medina Hejaz (spelling in Ole Nikoljsen)
Lütfi Müfit (Özdes) 20th Regt - 2Bn Maj (1874 - 1940) Balkan Wars & died War of Independance
Mehmet Lütfi (Kirdar) medical unit Capt Dr (1887 - 1961) Balkan Wars & War of Independance
Mehmet Lütfi Telat Bey CoCommander Ottoman Torpedo boat "Demirhisar" Capt Naval in raids off Tendoes) 7-3-15 and 15-4-15 lost when ran aground off Chios 16-4-15
Omar Lutfi 1st Composite (Lütfü) Müretteb or Mürattep) Div Maj to LtCol shown June 1918 British reports document signed by him - reported son of Marshall Husni Pasa
Omer Lufu or Lutfi CofS 19th Div 10-16 Maj
Omer Lutfi staff 9th Corps 1914 LtCol
Ömer Lütfi (Yasan) Superintendent of Military High Schools & Inspetor of the Rear Area 3rd Army & Head of the Administration of Yildirim Army Maj to LtCol (1878 - 1956) to Turco-Italian War of 1911-12 & Balkan Wars Superintendent of Military High Schools to Minister of the Public Works 1920/21
Ömer Lütfi Bey (Erinol) 49 Div Col
Ömer Lütfi/Lütfü (Argeso) 78th Regt (26th Div) & (126th Regt) Seria Group Amman 1918 Capt to Maj to LtCol born 1879 Constantinople (Istanbul) - died December 16 1942 (Istanbul) 1316-P. 25 graduated 1901 to Maj 1915 to LtCol 1918 War of Independence 23rd Div & 18th Div retired 1923 awarded Silver Liakat Medal and German EK II

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