Sons of Turkish Pasha's killed in WW1.

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 04 Nov 2005 16:41

Oh Allah ! What suns are setting for the sake of Crescent.
In Gallipoli:
1-Officer Cadet Mehmet Fevzi Efendi, July 28/29, 1915 Son of Mustafa Fehmi Pascha
2- Second Lt. Hüseyin Naim Efendi, Son of Hasan Pascha, April 16/17th
3- Lt. Ali Haldun Efendi, July 5th, Son of Münir Pascha
4- Pilot Ibrahim Orhan Bey 2nd Lt. grandson of Sadullah Pasha
In other battlefields:
1-Mehmet Ziya Efendi son of Mustafa Fehmi Pasha, 1915
2-2nd Lt.Huseyin Naim Efendi son of Hasan Pasha,1915
3- 2nd Lt. Ali Haldun Efendi son of Munir Pasha, 1915
4-Officer Cadet Mehmet Refik Efendi son of Kemal Pasha, 1915
5-Officer Cadet Ismail Fehmi Efendi son of Kemal Pasha, 1915
6-Lt.Rifat Efendi son of Ishak Pasha, 1915

Peter H · Post by **Peter H** » 05 Nov 2005 12:33

Tosun,

I assume the Kemal Pasha refered to is Ahmet Cemal Pasha?

/Peter

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 05 Nov 2005 14:12

Peter, Unfortunately the Turks had no surnames before the Turkish Republic. We used our fathers name as family name. It is an old arabic islamic tradition. After Turks converted to islam they also used the Arabic tradition. e.g. The name Ali Fuat, ali is the name of the son and Fuat is the name of father. Girls get the name of husband after marriage. eg Aısa Fuat before merriage. Aisa Cemal after merriage. Cemal is the husband. This kind of surmanes made the Turkish live very complex. man mixed the names very often. For that reason after the new Turkish Republic some new reforms are made such as family name reform. Mustafa Kemal had the surmane ATATURK, Ismet Pasha had the surnane INONU.
As for Ahmet Cemal Pasha and Kemal Pasha: They are 2 individuals.
Ahmet Cemal Pasha the Army commander and Neval Minister was killed by Armenian terrorist in Tiflis in 1922(?) His children and Grand children are still using "Cemal" as family name.
As for Kemal Pasha I don't know much about him. He must be one of those "Kemal" in Turkish history.
e.g: Ali Kemal, the journalist, was lynched by the mobe in 1922 because of his anti national assays defending the British Occupation in Istanbul.
Yildirim Kemal: A young Lt. of cavalry killed in Sep 9th 1922 on the last day of the great attack to the invading Greek Army. On Sep. 9th Turkish Armies freed Izmir from the Greek Army and ended the WW1 . On Sept. 9th the great withdrawel of Turks from Vienna was stopped. Thanks to Allah we are no more fighting since that day.
With my best wishes
Tosun

Mehmet Fatih · Post by **Mehmet Fatih** » 05 Nov 2005 15:32

By freeing Izmir, Turkih army ended the war of indepedence not WW1.
But in fact "10 years war" is the name of this era.1912-1922. since balkan war till the end of the war of independence.

Regards

Tosun Saral · Post by **Tosun Saral** » 05 Nov 2005 15:51

waffen_für _alle wrote:By freeing Izmir, Turkih army ended the war of indepedence not WW1.
But in fact "10 years war" is the name of this era.1912-1922. since balkan war till the end of the war of independence.

Regards

Dear Friend, Mein Junger Freund, For myself WW1 ended on September 9th 1922.

Mehmet Fatih · Post by **Mehmet Fatih** » 05 Nov 2005 16:22

May I ask what is your opininon based on? Enlighten us, as an older "kamerad".

Regards