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Dutch NS and collaborationist music

Post by Ichi » 13 Feb 2006 07:26

[Several threads dealing with Dutch NS and collaborationist music have been merged and renamed by the host, Ivan Ž.]

I'm looking for a recording (mp3) of the Dutch SS song "Lied der Legioensoldaten"

It was dedicated to H.A. Seyffardt after he was killed. The lyrics and music were written by Melchert Schuurman Jr.

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 06 Jul 2007 10:55

Hello, Jacko

Unfortunately, I've never heard of a recording of that song.

For those interested, here's the original score:
Lied der legioensoldaten1.jpg
Lied der legioensoldaten2.jpg
Lied der legioensoldaten3.jpg
Source: https://geheugen.delpher.nl/nl/geheugen ... IOD05_8594
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Post by Wim » 25 Sep 2007 16:58

I recently bought these rare Dutch NSB and Nationale Jeugdstorm records.

Telefunken-T-70359-NSB-1001.jpg
Telefunken-T-70360-NSB-1002.jpg
Telefunken-T-70361-NSB-1003.jpg
Telefunken-T-70363-NSB-1005.jpg

The NSB made 4 records. I have 3 but 1 is in 2 pieces.
The Nationale Jeugdstorm (the Dutch version of the HJ) made 3 records. I have one of them.
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Post by Ivan Ž. » 25 Sep 2007 18:40

Hello, Wim, and thanks for posting.

You really had luck finding those (musically-)excellent recordings, I often listen to them myself (I particularly liked "Margariet").
Wim wrote:The NSB made 4 records.
The Nationale Jeugdstorm made 3 records.
Much more records were made actually:

WA-koor Amsterdam met orkest; leiding: Piet Heins
Telefunken T 70359 (NSB 1001) Dietschland, ontwaakt / WA marcheert
Telefunken T 70360 (NSB 1002) Margariet / Zwart-rood, waai uit nu!
Telefunken T 70361 (NSB 1003) Daar ging er een scheepje / Voorwaarts, stormsoldaat!
Telefunken T 70362 (NSB 1004) De geuzenvendels rukken aan / Laatste groet
Telefunken T 70444 (NSB 1008) Ja, kameraden / Marie
Telefunken T 70445 (NSB 1009) De zwarte soldaten / Oostlandlied
Telefunken T 70446 (NSB 1010) De nieuwe tijd / Vrijheid en recht

Koor van de Nationale Jeugdstorm Amsterdam met orkest; leiding: A. C. Wagemaker
Telefunken T 70363 (NSB 1005) De Ruyter-cantate, gedeelte 18 en 29 / gedeelte 33 en 34
Telefunken T 70365 (NSB 1006) Stormerslied / Voorwaarts, kameraden
Telefunken T 70364 (NSB 1007) Alle man van Neerlands stam / Een lied van Nederland
Telefunken T 70447 (NSB 1011) De trommeljongen / De trommelmarsch
Telefunken T 70448 (NSB 1012) De landsknechtentrom / Wij zijn bereid

Kennemer koor met orkest; leiding: J. v. Helden
De Driehoek (Nationale Jeugdstorm) 1 Stormersliederenpotpourri
De Driehoek (Nationale Jeugdstorm) 2 Klokke Roeland / Stormerslied

Mannenkoor met orkest
De Driehoek 151 Blijft één, mijn Vaderland / Marschlied
De Driehoek 152 Gildemarsch / De zwarte soldaten
De Driehoek 153 Kameraden / Jongens van Nederland
De Driehoek 154 Holland ontwaakt / Volk, sluit aaneen
De Driehoek 155 Dietsche Liederenpotpourri
De Driehoek 156 Liederen van Neerlands stam
De Driehoek 157 Zwarthemdenlied / Strijdlied
De Driehoek 158 Zwart-rood paraat / Arbeid voor de jeugd
De Driehoek 159 NWV lied / Badenweiler-Marsch
De Driehoek 160 Marschlied / Zwarthemden
De Driehoek 161 Zwart-rood banier / Vrijheid en recht
De Driehoek 162 Mussertman / Eere den arbeid
De Driehoek 163 Op volksgenooten / De zwarte legioenen

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Post by Wim » 25 Sep 2007 19:30

Ivan Ž. wrote: I particularly liked "Margariet"
Well to bad, Margriet is on record 1002 that is in 2 pieces

For me the best song is 'Voorwaarts Stormsoldaat'

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Post by HaEn » 27 Sep 2007 04:18

Hello wim,
I also have (had) some broken 78's. so . . . . . I glued them back together VERY carefully. Use as little superglue as possible to prevent a spill out of the crack. DO NOT USE VELPON ( je ziet er geen barst van, maar het maakt een mess) (you don't see a crack (wordplay) but it makes a mess.
I have them all copied now on CD's , not very well, but still more or less enjoyable. The records are playable, but naturally have a "tick" each time the needle goes over the repair.
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Post by Wim » 29 Sep 2007 18:06

Thank you for the good advice and the information.

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Graag gedaan !
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Post by P. de Jong » 10 Oct 2007 18:33

The Dutch historian Gerard Groeneveld published a book titled "Zo zong de NSB" (Rough translation: "This is how/what the NSB sang"), not to be confused with the original NSB recording with a similar name (Zoo zingt de NSB).

The book comes with a CD, featuring original recordings.

Tracklist (Title/ choir /length)

1: Eere den arbeid / Mannenkoor met orkest /2:56.
2: Voorwaarts Kameraden / Koor van de Nationale Jeugdstorm (NJS) gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 2:57.
3: Het Stormerslied / Koor van de NJS gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 1:56.
4: Trommelmarsch / Koor van de NJS gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 2:09.
5: De trommeljongen / Koor van de NJS gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 3:13.
6: Radio recording by reporter Reichardt of the Nederlandsche Omroep of the visit of NSB leader Anton Mussert to Roosendaal / 3:20.
7: De landknechtentrom / Koor van de NJS gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 2:18.
8: Wij zijn bereid / Koor van de NJS gewest Amsterdam met orkest / 2:39.
9: Vrijheid en recht (AKA: Wolfsangellied) / Mannenkoor met orkest / 3:08.
10: Gildemarsch / Mannenkoor met orkest / 2:57.
11: Mussertman / Mannenkoor met orkest / 2:53.
12: Zwart-Rood Banier / Mannenkoor met orkest / 2:58.
13: Zwart-Rood, waai uit nu / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 2:57
14: De geuzenvendels rukken aan / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:17.
15: Dietschland ontwaakt! / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:00.
16: Ja Kameraden / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:01.
17: De Zwarte Soldaten / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:23.
18: Margariet / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:17.
19: Marie / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest/ 3:09.
20: W.A. Marcheert / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:05.
21: Oostlandlied / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 3:18.
22: Voorwaarts Stormsoldaat / W.A. koor Amsterdam met orkest / 2:56.
23: ? / 3:10.

There are three bonus tracks by German choirs:

24: Horst-Wessel-lied / Grossdeutsche Spielschar "Die Braunhemden", Berlin / 3:22.
25: Unsere Fahne flattert uns voran / Chor der Hitlerjugend / 3:07.
26: Engellandlied / Musikkorps der Luftnachtrichtenregiments mit Quartettgesang / 2:48.

I could upload them if anyone is interested.

The quality of the recordings is quite good, but the quality of the singing is...well...let's just say it can be heard that most of the NSB'ers only sang in church prior to trying a professional career in singing. The only songs I like personally are "De trommeljongen" because the refrain can actually be marched on, and "De Zwarte Soldaten" for the same reason.

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Post by Sdt » 10 Oct 2007 19:02

Hello P. de Jong,

I am quite interested by your offer I must say. NS Dutch songs are quite easy to find it seems, unlike their German counterparts. On my side, I have many Lili Marleen songs in Dutch. One is particularly interesting. It is a NS version of the song with strong racist lyrics. Sung by NSB members according to the booklet. The booklet accompanying the CD is in German. I do not speak it nor do I speak Dutch but I would be greatly interested in getting the opinion of a native and of course, happy to send the songs to you.

Anyway, here are the scans of the booklet for people interested:
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Post by P. de Jong » 10 Oct 2007 19:42

NS Dutch songs are quite easy to find it seems, unlike their German counterparts. On my side, I have many Lili Marleen songs in Dutch. One is particularly interesting. It is a NS version of the song with strong racist lyrics. Sung by NSB members according to the booklet. The booklet accompanying the CD is in German. I do not speak it nor do I speak Dutch but I would be greatly interested in getting the opinion of a native and of course, happy to send the songs to you.
National socialist songs of countries like Belgium (Flanders), the Netherlands and Finland are relatively easy to find because the government was less strict about national socialism in those countries than in, for example, Germany, after the war. There was a crackdown of national socialist (I can't type "NS" here, as that could also refer to the Dutch government railroad company...) elements, but various national socialists reintegrated into society without much of a problem. In the Dutch case, a portion of them would eventually serve in Korea, regardless of their past. Prominent national socialists, the widow of Rost van Tonningen for example, could remain in the Netherlands/Belgium even though she still spread national socialist ideas. The national socialist heritage is available in most government archives, or from private collections.

The lyrics to the version of Lili Marleen you provided are comical in their propaganda, in a way. I would be surprised if the resulting song would be as catchy as the original, if you know what the lyrics mean.

As to the recordings: the CD is around 72MB in size, suggestions of where to upload?

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Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Oct 2007 11:17

P. de Jong wrote: I could upload them if anyone is interested.
That is OK only if you have the publisher's permission. If not, I'd suggest not doing it.

Note: "Margariet" is incomplete on the CD, the instr. intro is missing.

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Post by P. de Jong » 11 Oct 2007 14:59

Ivan Ž. wrote: Note: "Margariet" is incomplete on the CD, the instr. intro is missing.
Margariet is indeed incomplete, the outro is also too short.
Ivan Ž. wrote:
P. de Jong wrote: I could upload them if anyone is interested.
That is OK only if you have the publisher's permission. If not, I'd suggest not doing it.
The recordings are stored in Dutch archives, I don't think there's a specific limit on reproduction or that it's illegal per se. I'd guess the rights of the music transferred to the Dutch government at the end of the Second World War, but I'd have to check.

Edit: I checked the book. There's no part of the disclaimer which states that the audio files may not be reproduced. The disclaimer states that the songs came from the 109 national socialist songs in the collection of the Nederlands Instituut voor Beeld en Geluid, but doesn't note that the songs on the CD may not be reproduced. As a noted earlier, the songs probably have no owner or the Dutch government is the owner.

Edit 2: I just discovered that the songs are also available on the internet: http://geschiedenis.vpro.nl/artikelen/34339365/
It seems I was correct about the songs being free to reproduce.

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Post by HaEn » 14 Oct 2007 22:40

Thank you "P". I listened to them. Good sound for the time.
Brought back pictures from my youth (beelden uit m'n kinderjaren)
Now i want to find a way to rip them an put hem on a CD.
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Post by Sdt » 15 Oct 2007 21:02

Thank you for the link! Quality is very good for a streaming.
If you or Haen want the Dutch Lili Marleen songs I mentioned earlier, just drop your e-mails and I will send them with pleasure.

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