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Re: 78 rpm record reviews [military music]

Post by Ivan Ž. » 11 Nov 2016 12:35

Discographical info has been added for the records posted on the last page as well (finally).
Alexander B. wrote:Both performances are by the Musikzug of the SA Standarte 9, with vocals by S. Trupp 13/13. Exactly which "Standarte 9" the performance is by is not extremely clear [...] if it is the SA Standarte 9 of Untergruppe Berlin-West [...]
Yes, it is a Standarte of Untergruppe Berlin-West.

Chor des S. Trupps 13/13 = Chor des Selbständigen Trupps 13 des Selbständigen Sturmbanns 13
(Selbständiger Sturmbann 13 was the name of SA-Standarte 13 at that time; it was part of Untergruppe Berlin-Süd)

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Re: Hakenkreuz & Eichenlaub 6

Post by Ivan Ž. » 09 Apr 2017 12:58

Ivan Ž. wrote:Faschistenmarsch (In dem Kampfe um die Heimat)
Melody: Giovinezza/ Composer: Giuseppe Blanc
Lyricist: Edgar Poelchau
Instrumental Group: Blasorchester Carl Woitschach, Berlin
Recording Date: 1933
Recording Location: Berlin
Record Company: Deutsche Crystalate GmbH, Berlin-Reinickendorf
Notice that this particular (probably the best known) arrangement of the Italian fascist anthem "Giovinezza" [meaning: Youth] begins with the melody of the famous international youth song "Gaudeamus igitur" [So let us rejoice]. The arrangement was played in both Italy and Germany (unfortunately, I still didn't manage to discover what was the name of the arranger)

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Telefunken A 1537

Post by Teppeny » 27 Jul 2018 18:23

Hello, I just own this 78 RPM, I don't know if it's a real one, it's my first 78rpm ever. Here are the pictures
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Lisa (Des Morgens um halb viere)
Composer/Lyricist: Anonym
Arranger: Carl Woitschach
Vocal Group: Chor des SA-Sturms 33/1, Berlin
Instrumental Group: Blasorchester Carl Woitschach, Berlin
Recording Date: 26.10.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Sing-Akademie (Unter den Linden 5)
Record Company: Telefunken-Platte GmbH, Berlin

Mein Nam’ ist Annemarie (Mein Regiment, mein Heimatland)
Composer/Lyricist: Anonym
Arranger: Carl Woitschach
Vocal Group: Chor des SA-Sturms 33/1, Berlin
Instrumental Group: Blasorchester Carl Woitschach, Berlin
Recording Date: 01.11.1933
Recording Location: Berlin, Sing-Akademie (Unter den Linden 5)
Record Company: Telefunken-Platte GmbH, Berlin
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Re: Telefunken A 1537

Post by Ivan Ž. » 27 Jul 2018 21:48

Hello again,

It's a real one and a nice one too. Congratulations on your first 78 rpm record! :thumbsup:

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Post by Teppeny » 27 Aug 2018 14:48

Ivan Ž. wrote:
01 Jun 2015 14:03
Telefunken wrote:Back on the subject of "SA marschiert", does anyone have any label scans?
Here are examples of some of the recordings of the full song and of various arrangements of the song, from SCF collectors. Of course, even more recordings were made, this is not all.
Hello, Is there any recording on the internet of "Im Schlesierland marschieren wir" ?

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Kristall 2165

Post by Alexander B. » 20 Mar 2019 12:28

Hello everyone,

Long time-no see! I've missed talking to you all! My collection continues to grow, although I haven't been very good at sharing most of it-there's simply too much and not enough time; but, I think its time for some more forum posts! I've been living in Germany and have been able to source quite a few amazing finds.

We'll start my return with this lovely pressing of Kristall 2165.

"Das Afrikakorps" is a march by Herms Niel, which I was surprised to see did not get lyrics from Anacker; but, instead lyrics by Hans Flocken. The song describes the work of the Afrika Korps, fighting valiantly with vehicles and infantry day and night against the "Tommy" to bring down his empire and win victory for Germany in the wilds of Africa. (I've done my best to translate the original lyrics, translation available in the subtitles of the restoration.) As with many other recordings from this series by the Musikkorps des Luftnachrichten-Regiment des Oberbefehlshabers der Luftwaffe under Obermusikmeister E. Klesant, the song is performed with great enthusiasm and energy and well recorded by the engineers. What else could I say about it? Its an amazing performance

"Schneidig ist die Infantrie!" on side B, another title by Herms Niel, is another amazing gem from the same performers and director as side A. Here its performed with the same great enthusiasm that Herms Niel and his own R.A.D. band gave it. It really is hard to choose which one I prefer. This recording is lacking the lead out that the original rendition by the R.A.D. has, which is a sleight disappointment; but, I still find it a wonderful alternative to the original and sometimes wonder if its not my preferred version!

It seems Kristall delivers again!

Until next time!
Alex
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Das Afrikakorps [Marschlied]
Composer: Prof. Herms Niel
Lyricist: Hans Flocken
Arranger: Erich Walden
Vocal Group: Männerchor
Instrumental Group: Musikkorps des Luftnachrichten-Regiments des Oberbefehlshabers der Luftwaffe, Potsdam-Eiche
Conductor: Obermusikmeister Erich Kiesant
Recording Date: 1942
Recording Location: Berlin
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin

Schneidig ist die Infantrie! [Marsch und Lied]
Composer/Lyricist: Prof. Herms Niel
Vocal Group: Männerchor
Instrumental Group: Musikkorps des Luftnachrichten-Regiments des Oberbefehlshabers der Luftwaffe, Potsdam-Eiche
Conductor: Obermusikmeister Erich Kiesant
Recording Date: 1942
Recording Location: Berlin
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin
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Re: Kristall 2165

Post by Teppeny » 21 Mar 2019 17:44

Amazing recordings Alexander !

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Odeon O-26388

Post by Alexander B. » 16 Jan 2020 16:03

Another new set of recordings out of my collection that seem to me to be relatively unknown.

On side A we have "Soldaten sind immer Soldaten" a song mostly about the admirable and enduring qualities of German soldiers, written for the 1939 propaganda film "Der Westwall". This is, by far, the more known of the two songs on this record.

On side B is "Morgenlied der Soldaten" an almost forgotten song of Herms Niel and Joseph Lang. A song about waking up in the morning and resuming the offensive and doing other things that brave soldiers do, including dying for the flag. This is, in my opinion, the more interesting of the two songs presented on this record, one which I had never heard in its entirety until finding this record. Some may remember a youtube video from a long time ago which was titled something along the lines of "Unknown Soldiers songs" from the old RMK channel, and this song was among those, although it was a poorly recorded partial copy.

Both songs are here recorded by the well known Musikkorps der Fliegerhorstkommandantur Berlin-Gatow in excellent quality with a great performance for both by a band which I've come to expect nothing less from! A highly recommended record to pick up wherever it might be found!
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Soldaten sind immer Soldaten [Marsch]
Composer: Ernst Erich Buder
Trio: Soldaten sind immer Soldaten [Marschlied]/ Composer: Ernst Erich Buder/ Lyricist: Herybert Menzel
Vocal Group: Die Metropol-Vokalisten, Berlin
Instrumental Group: Musikkorps der Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Berlin-Gatow
Conductor: Stabsmusikmeister Arno Kühn
Recording Date: 19.01.1940
Recording Location: Berlin, Carl Lindström AG (Schlesische Straße 26-27), Raum II
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin

Morgenlied der Soldaten
Composer: Herms Niel
Lyricist: Joseph Lang
Arranger: Gustav Skibbe
Vocal Group: Die Metropol-Vokalisten, Berlin
Instrumental Group: Musikkorps der Fliegerhorst-Kommandantur Berlin-Gatow
Conductor: Stabsmusikmeister Arno Kühn
Recording Date: 19.01.1940
Recording Location: Berlin, Carl Lindström AG (Schlesische Straße 26-27), Raum II
Record Company: Carl Lindström AG, Berlin
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Re: Kristall 2165 / Odeon O-26388

Post by Ivan Ž. » 16 Jan 2020 21:11

Hello, Alexander

Very nice records! I completely forgot to comment the Kristall 2165, which is a particularly rare find. Congratulations!
Alexander B. wrote:
16 Jan 2020 16:03
"Soldaten sind immer Soldaten" a song [...] written for the 1939 propaganda film "Der Westwall"
Two notes: first, notice that it is a march over the song "Soldaten sind immer Soldaten" (it's not just a song). The song itself is quite known (mostly via Tumforde's 1936 Grammophon performance), while the march is basically unknown today. Second, neither the song or the march were created for the movie "Der Westwall". The song was created in 1935 and was only used in the movie, which was created in 1939. And the march wasn't featured in the movie at all.

Again, a very nice record; especially because of the "Morgenlied der Soldaten", which is one of my most favourite compositions by Niel.

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Electrola EG 7089

Post by Alexander B. » 19 Jan 2020 19:51

Hello Ivan!,

Thank you very much for the compliments regarding my records, and for all the new information. Its always nice to learn from you. Thank you also for adding the information for the records, especially the Kristall recording!

Continuing the trend of often forgotten Niel, here's another interesting recording from the same collection that the Odeon disk came from.

This time its an Electrola recording. Side "A" is really interesting for me in this case. The "Flandern-Marsch", or "Die Straßen, die mein Vater zog", is a song that I never knew existed, let alone did I know was a composition of Herms Niel. Under Ivan's wonderful list of works of Niel's, it can be found, being published in 1940. A song about the deeds of the deceased father of a man, who died a hero's death in the Argonner Forest in the first world war; a story, which probably resonated strongly with many young men of the era. Although lacking the "pep" of many of Niels more famous pieces, due to its somber nature and subject matter, its well composed, and here it is well performed by the Hochschulorchester des Heeres under H. Schmidt. I found the performance a bit different than many of their other performances that I am familiar with; but, definitely in a demeanor fitting such a song. On side "B" we have the "Scapa-Flow-Marsch" performed by the band of the Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, under H. Müller-John, in his typical fashion for such recordings with the LAH, the performance is rigid and professional, definitely no slouch performance and nothing to overlook.

Really interesting stuff.

I hope there will soon be more to come.

Regards as always,
Alex
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Die Straßen, die mein Vater zog (Flandern-Marsch)
Composer: Herms Niel
Lyricist: Carl Schütte
Arranger: Erich Gutzeit
Vocal Group: Männerchor
Instrumental Group: Hochschulorchester des Heeres, Berlin
Conductor: Heeres-Obermusikinspizient Prof. Hermann Schmidt
Recording Date: 1940
Recording Location: Berlin
Record Company: Electrola GmbH, Berlin

Scapa-Flow-Marsch
Composer: Otto Eichler
Instrumental Group: Musikkorps der Leibstandarte-SS „Adolf Hitler“, Berlin-Lichterfelde
Conductor: Leibstandarten-Obermusikmeister Hermann Müller-John
Recording Date: 01.1940
Recording Location: Berlin
Record Company: Electrola GmbH, Berlin
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Re: Electrola EG 7089

Post by Auceps » 19 Jan 2020 23:29

Oh, thank you very much for these recodings, Alex! Interesting is that Erich Gutzeit is finally credited here as an arranger of Niel (from what I remember from Ivan's lists, he arranged pretty many Niel's songs).

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Re: Electrola EG 7089

Post by Ivan Ž. » 20 Jan 2020 00:54

Hello, Alexander. Thanks for posting another interesting (and rare) record. Niel also recorded that composition of his himself, as you may have seen in his recording list here viewtopic.php?f=81&t=94321&start=15#p930857 By the way, the signal which announces each strophe (ta-raa, tara-tara) is called "Straße frei" (Norbert Schultze's march "Panzer rollen in Afrika vor" begins with the same signal). The arrangement that Niel recorded was, of course, the same Gutzeit's brass band arrangement (and it was also a march & song, Marsch und Lied). There's also an interesting radio recording of the song without a march intro, made by Wilhelm Strienz (accompanied by a chamber orchestra).

Hello, Auceps. Erich Gutzeit was Niel's main wartime arranger (remember, he also composed the medley "Wir marschieren mit Herms Niel"), along with Erich Walden (Kümmel). Apparently, according to Niel's younger colleague and biggest wartime rival Norbert Schultze, Niel was not capable of writing orchestra scores. Schultze mentioned this in his (1964) letter to Fred K. Prieberg, when describing their (Schultze & Niel's) Russian campaign song competition (see page 6391 of Prieberg's Handbuch): "Herms Niel had his arranger Erich Gutzeit with him, since he himself could neither play nor write it down, let alone make a score for orchestra." (Notice a dose of spitefulness in Schultze's words.) Fun fact: Schultze's composition, which was, as we know, chosen over Niel's, was arranged for (military) orchestra by the very same Erich Gutzeit :D

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Ivan

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Other main (brass/military band) arrangers of Niel's were Arno Hildebrand, Gustav Skibbe and (in the earlier years) Josef Sommer.

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Re: Electrola EG 7089

Post by Alexander B. » 20 Jan 2020 12:22

Auceps wrote:
19 Jan 2020 23:29
Oh, thank you very much for these recodings, Alex! Interesting is that Erich Gutzeit is finally credited here as an arranger of Niel (from what I remember from Ivan's lists, he arranged pretty many Niel's songs).

Regards,
Auceps
Hello Auceps,

The pleasure is all mine, you are very welcome! What use is collecting if not to share?

I am still learning (slowly) about how all the artists of the period fit together, you and Ivan both seem to have a much better grasp of these concepts than I do! I did not know that Gutzeit was behind many of Niel's arrangements; but, I do think I've seen his name on some more of my records, let me see if I can find any other examples of him listed as Niel's arranger.
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20 Jan 2020 00:54
Hello, Alexander. Thanks for posting another interesting (and rare) record. Niel also recorded that composition of his himself, as you may have seen in his recording list here viewtopic.php?f=81&t=94321&start=15#p930857 By the way, the signal which announces each strophe (ta-raa, tara-tara) is called "Straße frei" (Norbert Schultze's march "Panzer rollen in Afrika vor" begins with the same signal). The arrangement that Niel recorded was, of course, the same Gutzeit's brass band arrangement (and it was also a march & song, Marsch und Lied). There's also an interesting radio recording of the song without a march intro, made by Wilhelm Strienz (accompanied by a chamber orchestra).

Hello, Auceps. Erich Gutzeit was Niel's main wartime arranger (remember, he also composed the medley "Wir marschieren mit Herms Niel"), along with Erich Walden (Kümmel). Apparently, according to Niel's younger colleague and biggest wartime rival Norbert Schultze, Niel was not capable of writing orchestra scores. Schultze mentioned this in his (1964) letter to Fred K. Prieberg, when describing their (Schultze & Niel's) Russian campaign song competition (see page 6391 of Prieberg's Handbuch): "Herms Niel had his arranger Erich Gutzeit with him, since he himself could neither play nor write it down, let alone make a score for orchestra." (Notice a dose of spitefulness in Schultze's words.) Fun fact: Schultze's composition, which was, as we know, chosen over Niel's, was arranged for (military) orchestra by the very same Erich Gutzeit :D

Cheers,
Ivan

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Other main (brass/military band) arrangers of Niel's were Arno Hildebrand, Gustav Skibbe and (in the earlier years) Josef Sommer.
Hello Ivan,

Again, the pleasure is mine! Thank you for always getting all the details straight for me!

I never have heard the Grammophon release of this song, nor have I ever heard the radio broadcast. From where did the broadcast originate?

I also never knew this little "ditty", as we might say in English, which signals the start of each strophe, was something with a name, let alone something that occurred in more than one recording. I guess I was never listening too carefully! I need to listen to some records again now, just to check it out!

I've never heard either of the fact that Niel was deficient in this regard, the man was clearly talented, its a shock to me that he struggled in this area; but, nobody can do everything!

What was Niel's song that was competing with the Russlandlied?


Finally, something a little bit different, unfortunately I don't have anything else exciting from Niel today! :cry:

Here is a copy of "Auf Fahrt und Walz" from Telefunken. A collection of old folk songs popular with the Wandervogel.
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The Wandervogel were somehow a kind of political movement of the late 19th and early 20th century in Germany, although groups did exist outside of the Reich. They were mostly higher class people, often children, who wished to escape the increasingly urbanizing lifestyle that the dawn of the 20th century was bringing, and so they spent a-lot of time outdoors appreciating nature and hiking. They were somewhat at the forefront of the youth movements that began in the early 20th century, and by and large, had many ideas which were considered "liberal" at the time. Although the movement survived the First World War, it could not endure in the totalitarian state of National-Socialist Germany, and once the regime solidified other groups such as the Wandervogel troops into the new Hitler Youth, it was simply over for them, although, at the end of the war, many scouting groups were founded with similar principals and can be considered spiritual successors.

This history makes such a record a really puzzling thing, as the nazis were, unsurprisingly, no big friend to the Wandervogel, both because it was competition for their own organizations, competition which they would eventually legislate out of existence; but, also because many of the Wandervogel principals and philosophy conflicted with nazi teachings.

But here we are, a collection of songs popular with the Wandervogel, performed by an orchestra of Wandervogel with a choir of the Hitler Youth together!!! Its truly something I don't quite understand. Perhaps its a kind of show of good will or brotherhood between the soon dead Wandervogel and the emerging Hitler Youth?

I haven't seen many copies of this recording, so I imagine it to have not sold very well.

It is very interesting that, on my copy, one can see that someone has censored the "Hitler-Jugend" by scratching it off the recording. But they have only done it to the "B" side! What logical reason for this exists is beyond me. Maybe someone started and didn't finish.

Among the songs recorded are some which were not often heard during the 3rd Reich period

Side 1:
1.Wenn wir Marschieren
2.Bin ein fahrender Gesel
3.Das Lieben bringt groß Freud
4.Die Gedanken sind Frei
5.Hab mein Wage voll geladen
6.Wenn alle brünnlein fließen

Side 2:
1.Wohlan, die Zeit ist kommen
2.Glück auf, Glück auf! Der Steiger kommt
3.Es war ein Knabe gezogen
4.Als ich ein jung Geselle war
5.Morgen marschieren wir
6.Jetzt kommt die Zeit daß ich wandern muß
7.Horch, was kommt von draussen rein

Overall, the quality of the recording is good, and the songs are sung well with a-lot of variety. Its really interesting to hear some traditional folk songs and earlier songs sung instead of then current music for a change. Its a nice record. Not my favorite by any means; but, definitely a refreshing change of pace.

My regards as always, gentlemen!
Alex
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